2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[NekiEcko]

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

Yes. All I can say. I full expect either a trade down to get Clingan, trade for star or taking Clingan #1.

But seriously, why? I don't see Clingan coming in and moving the needle to get us into the top 6, and we have to deal with Utah, who probably wants a hundred picks. This team sometimes really gets on my nerves.

[gurpilo]

I still think is going to be Sarr, however if is Clingan I will not be mad. A step in the right direction. I hope they can trade back and take a project at 8, hopefully Buzelis, Knetch or Holland.

Is also funny how this FA market provides a lot of solutions for this team, players that could be signed cheap, fit the team's need and would increase a lot the team performance. Delon Wright, D Anthony Melton, Gary Harris, Lonnie Walker, Covington, Jae Crowder, Royce ONeal,  Bullock, Marshall, Nwora, Drummond, Bamba. You can find a lot of defense, size and shooting there and I think they can be signed cheap. You add Melton, Covington and Drummond to this team and you get +10 wins. I am completely sure we Will not sign any of this players.

[deester11]

There's a lot of asshatery going on. Considering Sarr has stated he has no problem being drafted by the Hawks. If the Hawks haven't forced a workout or been told no, it is malfeasance at its best. I'm not surprised.  Clingan at one..I want him if not Sarr but at one is a letdown FOR ME. 

[bleachkit]

4 minutes ago, gurpilo said:

I still think is going to be Sarr, however if is Clingan I will not be mad. A step in the right direction. I hope they can trade back and take a project at 8, hopefully Buzelis, Knetch or Holland.

Is also funny how this FA market provides a lot of solutions for this team, players that could be signed cheap, fit the team's need and would increase a lot the team performance. Delon Wright, D Anthony Melton, Gary Harris, Lonnie Walker, Covington, Jae Crowder, Royce ONeal,  Bullock, Marshall, Nwora, Drummond, Bamba. You can find a lot of defense, size and shooting there and I think they can be signed cheap. You add Melton, Covington and Drummond to this team and you get +10 wins. I am completely sure we Will not sign any of this players.

Free agency is underrated. You can find solid role players. Danny Ferry had an excellent eye for under the radar free agent role players. 

[Jody23]

The Lauri stuff is likely smoke imo.  The Hawks would have to trade the #1 pick to get him.  He also plays the same position as Jalen.  I still think the Hawks end up taking Risacher at #1, potentially for someone else.

[gurpilo]

I still think is going to be Sarr, however if is Clingan I will not be mad. A step in the right direction. I hope they can trade back and take a project at 8, hopefully Buzelis, Knetch or Holland.

Is also funny how this FA market provides a lot of solutions for this team, players that could be signed cheap, fit the team's need and would increase a lot the team performance. Delon Wright, D Anthony Melton, Gary Harris, Lonnie Walker, Covington, Jae Crowder, Royce ONeal,  Bullock, Marshall, Nwora, Drummond, Bamba. You can find a lot of defense, size and shooting there and I think they can be signed cheap. You add Melton, Naji Marshall or Robert Covinfton and Drummond or Bamba to this team and you get +10 wins. I am completely sure we will not sign any of this players.

Trae Young/Bufkin

Melton/Bogi/Knetch

Hunter/Marshall/Gueye

JJ/Bey/Gueye

Clingan/Drummond/OO

And I am not even counting on DJM or Capela that I think will be traded.

 

Edited June 17 by gurpilo

[terrell]

16 minutes ago, Jody23 said:

If true, Sarr steering clear of the Hawks is dissapointing.  I understand if he and his camp are adamant about him not playing center.  But, it's still dissapointing.

https://andscape.com/features/potential-no-1-draft-pick-alexandre-sarr-excited-about-chance-to-play-for-atlanta-hawks/

[Jody23]

1 minute ago, terrell said:

https://andscape.com/features/potential-no-1-draft-pick-alexandre-sarr-excited-about-chance-to-play-for-atlanta-hawks/

Fully aware of what he said in the aftermath of the lottery results.  And honestly, he's not going to say anything negative publicly about the Hawks or any other team.  However, there appears to now be alot of chatter out there that his camp doesn't want him in Atlanta.

[deester11]

30 minutes ago, Jody23 said:

Fully aware of what he said in the aftermath of the lottery results.  And honestly, he's not going to say anything negative publicly about the Hawks or any other team.  However, there appears to now be alot of chatter out there that his camp doesn't want him in Atlanta.

Whose freaking chatter? The insiders say he worked out.....hmmm.  I call bs on something.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, Birdsfan said:

So you're believing what that guy McNamara is posting on X?  He has no connections within NBA circles, just likes to stir the pot.

Believing? No.  It's the season of rumors.

Besides this rumor has already been floating that BI is looking for a max contract since the trade deadline.

Which 'Birdfan' are you? Hawks or Pelicans?

[Sothron]

2 hours ago, KB21 said:

Anything about the report that Sarr has not worked out for the Hawks and that Bill Duffy is steering him away from the Hawks?

I cannot speak about workouts. Complete ban on sharing that.

Sarr very much wants to go to the Wizards. He wants to go a place where there is no pressure on him finding a position to fit into the NBA with and allowing him to grow and make mistakes along the way.

The Hawks are not that place. So yes, he is being steered to the Wizards or another situation like that. 

Thankfully the Hawks hold all the cards. We can absolutely threaten any team with the #1 pick to simply take whoever they want and hold them hostage for a package. Or simply take a guy that has value/interest and make a separate trade to get into the lottery to get who we want ie Clingan.

 

 

[Sothron]

1 hour ago, NekiEcko said:

But seriously, why? I don't see Clingan coming in and moving the needle to get us into the top 6, and we have to deal with Utah, who probably wants a hundred picks. This team sometimes really gets on my nerves.

Tbf I said star not necessarily Lauri. Utah is in a tough spot. They should blow everything up and just tank but they want to be competitive and try and rebuild. It is hard to do that. Trading Lauri with Danny running that franchise would be costly. I like Lauri as a player but he's the same position as Jalen. I don't think he's worth the cost to acquire.

[ShayD]

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

I cannot speak about workouts. Complete ban on sharing that.

Sarr very much wants to go to the Wizards. He wants to go a place where there is no pressure on him finding a position to fit into the NBA with and allowing him to grow and make mistakes along the way.

The Hawks are not that place. So yes, he is being steered to the Wizards or another situation like that. 

Thankfully the Hawks hold all the cards. We can absolutely threaten any team with the #1 pick to simply take whoever they want and hold them hostage for a package. Or simply take a guy that has value/interest and make a separate trade to get into the lottery to get who we want ie Clingan.

 

 

The hawks absolutely need talent on this team and I do think they should keep the no1 pick and take somebody. I think it's going to be either Sarr/Risacher and depending were Clingan lands in the lottery they will try to trade for him. I don't know about taking Clingan number 1

[kg01]

4 hours ago, Sothron said:

I cannot speak about workouts.

Fortunately, as an Outsider, I can speak on workouts.

I hate em.  Can we all just get surgery like civilized humans.  Why subject yourself to all that pain and ... work? *shudders*

When the archeologists dig up the fossils of our workout gyms, they're gonna conclude that human torture chambers existed in our society.

But seriously, on Sarr, if he wants the Zards then good luck to him.  That's a dead franchise poised to do nothing but be a doormat for the foreseeable future.

For folks that don't see Clingan as being a needle-mover, I totally get that.  I'd encourage folks to look at the offseason as a whole and whatever we do draft-wise as just a piece of that puzzle.  To be fair, that was always going to be the case based on the nature of this year's draft.

Edited June 17 by kg01

[Final_quest]

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

 

But seriously, on Sarr, if he wants the Zards then good luck to him.  That's a dead franchise poised to do nothing but be a doormat for the foreseeable future.

I was just thinking him going to the Wizards means he will be closer to his floor than his ceiling.  He gets to learn from Kuz and Poole.

[kg01]

38 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

I was just thinking him going to the Wizards means he will be closer to his floor than his ceiling.  He gets to learn from Kuz and Poole.

Indeed.

I imagine, as @JayBirdHawk mentioned when all this came up weeks ago, it would be about him getting as many shots and chances as he wants.  Since ppg = ROTY votes.  He definitely wouldnt, and arguably shouldn't, get that on a team trying to win.

As his reps, you want him getting ROTY and all-rookie and rookie/sophomore games, etc.  As a way to artificially inflate his worth. So you can be like, "Pay him moar, he was ROTY and 1st team all rookie, and he played in the rookie/sophomore game, blah, blah.."  As if any of that means anything in the grand scheme of things.

They don't care if he doesn't grow as a winning player.  Because the league has created a situation where guys don't have to be great to get paid.  It's all a shell game for the agents.

Lastly, I'll ask people to remember this when they wanna criticize Klutch.  Literally ALL agents do the things fans hate Klutch for doing.

Edited June 17 by kg01

[REHawksFan]

5 hours ago, Sothron said:

Sarr very much wants to go to the Wizards. He wants to go a place where there is no pressure on him finding a position to fit into the NBA with and allowing him to grow and make mistakes along the way.

I can't figure out why that matters. If the Hawks like him, take him. I get so sick of the Hawks being portrayed as the weak ass franchise that caters to the wishes of guys that don't have any leverage over the Hawks. If you think he's the best player, take him. Screw the whole "he doesn't want to be here narrative."

Now if they think Clingan is the best player,  fine. Use the 1st pick as leverage to get more for the team. Fine woth that. But this whole, "player x doesn't want to come so Hawks are looking elsewhere" is bs when Hawks hold all the cards. Just my .02.

[thecampster]

5 hours ago, Sothron said:

I cannot speak about workouts. Complete ban on sharing that.

 

[thecampster]

What do the experts really know?

 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 hour ago, REHawksFan said:

I can't figure out why that matters. If the Hawks like him, take him. I get so sick of the Hawks being portrayed as the weak ass franchise that caters to the wishes of guys that don't have any leverage over the Hawks. If you think he's the best player, take him. Screw the whole "he doesn't want to be here narrative."

Now if they think Clingan is the best player,  fine. Use the 1st pick as leverage to get more for the team. Fine woth that. But this whole, "player x doesn't want to come so Hawks are looking elsewhere" is bs when Hawks hold all the cards. Just my .02.

Just a reminder in the recent past 

 

Dell Curry also didn't want Steph to go to the Warriors.

To the Hawks:  If he's your guy, you take your guy.