2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[AHF]

21 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

I saw a rumor on here yesterday that Detroit was interested in DJM for Ivey + 5. Not sure if that's true...but if a top 10 team wanted DJM, send those assets to BKN for Bridges in a 3-team.

That would be perfection.  Unless we get assets in a trade that make sense, we have nothing Brooklyn would want other than the #1 pick, imo.  
 

Effectively trading DJM for Bridges would be a home run trade for me.  So much better fit than Ingram, imo.

[Hawkish]

19 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

Something like this -

BKN's pick #5 is actually with the Knicks this year, but was protected. So just imagine #5 being in place of the 2025 Detroit Round 1 above.

And I don't think we should have to include the Sac pick because DJM for Bridges is fair...but it's freaking BKN so it'll have to be an overpay.

Let’s do it.

[Mikey]

16 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Bro he gonna bust here. 

You got no true centers who aren't washed, you got Gueye and JJ as forwards and they are better than Sarr right now. So if you got no centers with size and bulk and you draft Sarr, what's the message you are saying?

If you selling Sarr as this modern 5, you might as well just replace Marvin as the biggest bust in Atlanta history right now. 

Ya'll trying to be optimistic, as optimistic as I can be, I still see him being a bust here. If he's not, you will end up getting rid of JJ and Trae, was it worth it then. Sure, at that point, he's not a bust but at what cost. 

Throwing away 2025 season or the 2026 season. We don't even control those picks. 

I see this going way bad than good with Sarr. Someone asked me, if we get both Sarr and Clingan or Sarr and Edey, do you still think he would be a bust. Honestly, yep! I just won't care is the only thing. Clingan and Edey solves issues for us and are optimal fits for the Hawks and Edey is also an optimal fit for Trae. So I just won't care. 

There is a path for success in Atlanta with Sarr. 

I just see no chance of Atlanta following it and it's actually the same damn path they just used with JJ. So it's not impossible. I just have no faith in them getting it right. The expectations are just too high but like I said, if you hit on one of them, people tend to look the other way. The issue is if you missed on both. I don't see that happening though. Edey fit with Trae is just too f***ing special and Clingan fit with the Hawks is optimal and he's gonna get the Hawks to the playoffs next year and not just some stupid shit like the play in game. 

Everyone wants us to fail, I feel like even our own fanbase unbeknownst wants the same. 

Gueye is not better than him lmao. He might be the worst defensive player in the league. Sarr is gonna take his spot (if drafted) and be that. 

I don’t get how you guys call him a bust when immediately he will have a defensive impact. If your measure of bust is ppg or is someone behind him gonna be better that’s just not what a bust is. 

[KB21]

8 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Gueye is not better than him lmao. He might be the worst defensive player in the league. Sarr is gonna take his spot (if drafted) and be that. 

I don’t get how you guys call him a bust when immediately he will have a defensive impact. If your measure of bust is ppg or is someone behind him gonna be better that’s just not what a bust is. 

They also play different positions.  The Hawks played Mo as a wing in CP.  It’s amazing to me that some either can’t see the value in having positionless players or just don’t want to see the value in it.  It’s not hard to see that Sarr and Gueye can play together long-term.  

[Mikey]

6 minutes ago, KB21 said:

They also play different positions.  The Hawks played Mo as a wing in CP.  It’s amazing to me that some either can’t see the value in having positionless players or just don’t want to see the value in it.  It’s not hard to see that Sarr and Gueye can play together long-term.  

You also aren’t not taking a player because of f***ing Mo Gueye a second rounder who just started playing basketball 4 years ago lmao

[Mikey]

Like does this conversation not make some of you guys mad? 

calling players bust already when they haven’t even been picked? When they haven’t even been given a role on a team. When you have no idea what the roster looks like? When dude hasn’t even come in to the building for a workout? Mentioning fan expectations for why he’s a bust is so idiotic. Fans have high expectations that doesn’t make a player a bust. Someone going after who might be better doesn’t make someone a bust. Someone being drafted being better than whoever goes 1 is a high likelihood in this draft. WHO CARES.

Mfs still mentioning edey who has no shot of being on the team. You wanna talk about a player fit talk about how that dude is an awful fit. Can’t play at the level like Quin wants. Isn’t a vertical spacer at all like Trae wants. Can’t play with pace like quin. Y’all wanna push this agenda way more than just talking hoops. Shits become first take all f***ing off-season 

[AHF]

3 minutes ago, Mikey said:

You also aren’t not taking a player because of f***ing Mo Gueye a second rounder who just started playing basketball 4 years ago lmao

I’m excited about Gueye’s potential but he isn’t even part of the discussion.  Even if they are pure duplicates I have no reason to think that Gueye will be ready to play in Atlanta next year and won’t be surprised if he never earns a rotation spot.  He is going to be a happy addition to my baseline if/when he matures and is ready to bolster the team’s depth.  I think you need to take some upside gambles on guys like him but you know they are lottery tickets (with most lottery tickets being worthless but some being good or even great outcomes).

[AHF]

3 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Like does this conversation not make some of you guys mad? 

calling players bust already when they haven’t even been picked? When they haven’t even been given a role on a team. When you have no idea what the roster looks like? When dude hasn’t even come in to the building for a workout? Mentioning fan expectations for why he’s a bust is so idiotic. Fans have high expectations that doesn’t make a player a bust. Someone going after who might be better doesn’t make someone a bust. Someone being drafted being better than whoever goes 1 is a high likelihood in this draft. WHO CARES.

edey [still being mentioned] who has no shot of being on the team. You wanna talk about a player fit talk about how that dude is an awful fit. Can’t play at the level like Quin wants. Isn’t a vertical spacer at all like Trae wants. Can’t play with pace like quin. Y’all wanna push this agenda way more than just talking hoops. 

I’m not mad if someone projects a player will be a bust in the draft anymore than if they project he will be a star.  Share your view on Edey or Sarr, etc.  You’ve actually shared your view on both of them in this thread.

Someone’s honest opinion becomes a problem when people spam their view every time a name comes up and thus stifle other voices or when it is coupled with insults or similar conduct that is always problematic.  Please flag those behaviors when you see them or believe they are crossing a line.

[Mikey]

1 minute ago, AHF said:

I’m not mad if someone projects a player will be a bust in the draft anymore than if they project he will be a star.  Share your view on Edey or Sarr, etc.  You’ve actually shared your view on both of them in this thread.

Someone’s honest opinion becomes a problem when people spam their view every time a name comes up and thus stifle other voices or when it is coupled with insults or similar conduct that is always problematic.  Please flag those behaviors when you see them or believe they are crossing a line.

In this draft more than any I think it’s so unpredictable to call any of these players a star or bust. Think fit will matter way more than it does in any year for majority of these guys. Frankly don’t see any of these guys at the top being stars anyways. 

The point that makes me mad is people talk about fit. The player you are drafting is for THE ENTIRE TEAM. Not just Trae. Trae in theory could be gone in 4 weeks you aren’t drafting a player to ONLY fit with him (which edey doesn’t at all either lmao). You are taking the player for the entire roster 

[Hawkish]

17 hours ago, JTB said:

Maybe so. But I see several starting lineups depending on what is needed.

Knecht seems closer to Korver like to me more so than Bogi. Will definitely take him time to get as good as Bogi offensively but I can see Knecht shot transitioning to the nba immediately.

hes also bigger than Bogi so he MAY fair better on the defensive end than Bogi …depending on matchups of course.

I don’t see Bogi moving around like Knecht does.  I saw a more skilled Korver when watching him, not Bogi.  I want Knecht playing with Trae; however, I like Bogi as a 6th man with some creation skill.

[Hawkish]

5 minutes ago, Mikey said:

In this draft more than any I think it’s so unpredictable to call any of these players a star or bust. Think fit will matter way more than it does in any year for majority of these guys. Frankly don’t see any of these guys at the top being stars anyways. 

The point that makes me mad is people talk about fit. The player you are drafting is for THE ENTIRE TEAM. Not just Trae. Trae in theory could be gone in 4 weeks you aren’t drafting a player to ONLY fit with him (which edey doesn’t at all either lmao). You are taking the player for the entire roster 

I agree.  The coaching staff earns its pay by evolving a system to fit its players.  
 

Just curious, what would a Trae trade even look like?  (Exclude the Spurs)

[KB21]

3 minutes ago, Hawkish said:

I agree.  The coaching staff earns its pay by evolving a system to fit its players.  
 

Just curious, what would a Trae trade even look like?  (Exclude the Spurs)

It would center around draft picks.  

[Hawkish]

3 minutes ago, KB21 said:

It would center around draft picks.  

If that is the case, are there teams with the draft capital we’d require (other than SA)?

[JayBirdHawk]

17 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Everyone wants us to fail, I feel like even our own fanbase unbeknownst wants the same. 

Sorry man, this is just pure garbage.

The Squawk WANTS the Hawks to be successful we just disagree on who/what the best approach should be.

Are you outing yourself as one who wants the Hawks to fail since you think trading #1 for #7, #14 and Malcom Brogdon is a good trade from a pure value perspective. 

[Spud2nique]

Unbeknownst wow that’s a word?

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

Unbeknownst wow that’s a word?

It's a good word 

[Hawkish]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

It's a good word 

Unbeknownst to me, it is a solid word.

[NBASupes]

5 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Sorry man, this is just pure garbage.

The Squawk WANTS the Hawks to be successful we just disagree on who/what the best approach should be.

Are you outing yourself as one who wants the Hawks to fail since you think trading #1 for #7, #14 and Malcom Brogdon is a good trade from a pure value perspective. 

I think that's a great trade.  

https://neilpaine.substack.com/p/nba-estimated-raptor-player-ratings

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

his last two years would be 4 WARs. Given that off the bench would tremendously help us.

Also, I estimate Risacher WAR to be 0.2-1 range and Sarr to be -6 to -5 range. Clingan in the 4 WAR range so other than Donovan, I believe 1st overall just doesn't carry much volume as it has in the last two drafts with Paolo and Wemby. 

Whereas, Edey 5-6 WAR and 14 which should be around -0.5 aka Kobe range is just a much better volume to me. 

Brodgon 4+

Edey 5-6

14th overall -0.5 

Or 

Risacher 1

Sarr -6 to -5

Clingan 4

I am taking 10 WAR or 4 at best and at worst -6 WAR

 

[NBASupes]

@JayBirdHawk I don't want to stay at #1. Give me a good trade down for the pick?

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I think that's a great trade.

I know you do. And it's still an awful value trade for #1.

(Aaah, yes, the great WAR debate less we forget Montrezl's WAR)

Your hyper focus on acquiring Edey is clouding your judgement in that you are willing to accept less value for the #1 pick since you have conceded there is no way in hell the Hawks are taking Edey at #1.