2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[AHF]

4 minutes ago, terrell said:

This is what I meant.. lol

In the trade context, he is filler to open up a roster spot with someone NO won't miss.  For us, we could have used him last year so at least we wouldn't have to resort to playing SFs at that position if Nance is healthy.  I'd love to see Gueye step up as well.  Based on history, we'll probably have a stretch where JJ is hurt so this would be useful depth for us even if we would never target him in the trade.

[JTB]

32 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I keep seeing a lot of this....it makes sense since they want to move BI and not pay him, makes sense since they really need a PG to maximize Zion......there is a cost in doing that.

That’s fair …it’s really the Herb addition that makes it hard to believe it’s a good deal for the pelicans. Herb is on an extremely cheap contract and has DPOY potential.

unless they think Murphy can do what Herb does it’s hard to see the benefit of this but I get it, to maximize Zion they need a playmaker and DJ is on a great contract.

Perhaps they believe they could still be a top defensive team with Murray, Murphy, Zion, Capela….it looks good on paper defensively so maybe I’m answering my own question.

[JTB]

35 minutes ago, terrell said:

This is crazy thinking IMO

Hawks are winning the Championship NEXT season......smh

If they take Clingan they better believe he's just better long term for us over Sarr....

Clingan long term for us is dependent upon the roster build out. Probably not the answer you want but it’s the truth.

i don’t mean that Clingan won’t be in DPOY runnings. I think that’s going to happen no matter where he lands…. Clingan will be the best version of himself with a Trae like player so that’s only 3 players who can maximize Clingan and that’s Trae, Luka, & Harden.

If we sign Trae long term which should be our number 1 goal than Clingan is the better pick over Sarr in my opinion…especially if that Pelicans rumor goes down where we acquire Ingram and Herb Jones.

[AtLaS]

12 minutes ago, JTB said:

Clingan long term for us is dependent upon the roster build out. Probably not the answer you want but it’s the truth.

i don’t mean that Clingan won’t be in DPOY runnings. I think that’s going to happen no matter where he lands…. Clingan will be the best version of himself with a Trae like player so that’s only 3 players who can maximize Clingan and that’s Trae, Luka, & Harden.

If we sign Trae long term which should be our number 1 goal than Clingan is the better pick over Sarr in my opinion…especially if that Pelicans rumor goes down where we acquire Ingram and Herb Jones.

I think Sarr will be a much better defender than Clingan, and no question a better lob threat.  He's much more versatile, can switch and protect the paint.  He needs to add some more weight but he's already added 8 lbs in less than a year.  He's not THAT small right now.

Clingan can't shoot FTs so that will always be an issue at crunchtime.  Clogs the lane so that's always going to affect Trae.  And Clingan style defenders get exploited in the playoffs.  See Gobert.  It happens every year.

Edited June 4 by AtLaS

[terrell]

14 minutes ago, JTB said:

Clingan long term for us is dependent upon the roster build out. Probably not the answer you want but it’s the truth.

i don’t mean that Clingan won’t be in DPOY runnings. I think that’s going to happen no matter where he lands…. Clingan will be the best version of himself with a Trae like player so that’s only 3 players who can maximize Clingan and that’s Trae, Luka, & Harden.

If we sign Trae long term which should be our number 1 goal than Clingan is the better pick over Sarr in my opinion…especially if that Pelicans rumor goes down where we acquire Ingram and Herb Jones.

I can get on board with Clingan, just not at #1....

Like, I get that in drop coverage he's been great defensively in college, and at times has looked downright dominant in that coverage. And I get that he's been a solid screener/finisher, etc. But I just can't get on board with the idea that he's some win-now, plug-n-play pick. How many genuinely HUGE big men have come in and really been difference makers day one? Traditional thought is it takes big men longer to adjust. I don't know why that's different for him...... It's not like he was able to log a ton of minutes per game in college, and it's not like teams in the NBA won't be much faster, much more aggressive, and much more willing to do things to pull him out of his coverage comfortability.

 I don't know why we'd settle for the lower ceiling at #1... But hey, what do I know...

Edited June 4 by terrell

[Jody23]

11 minutes ago, JTB said:

Clingan long term for us is dependent upon the roster build out. Probably not the answer you want but it’s the truth.

i don’t mean that Clingan won’t be in DPOY runnings. I think that’s going to happen no matter where he lands…. Clingan will be the best version of himself with a Trae like player so that’s only 3 players who can maximize Clingan and that’s Trae, Luka, & Harden.

If we sign Trae long term which should be our number 1 goal than Clingan is the better pick over Sarr in my opinion…especially if that Pelicans rumor goes down where we acquire Ingram and Herb Jones.

If Trae was on his rookie deal where the Hawks had more certainty about keeping him longer, perhaps I could understand this reasoning.  But he is not and taking a lower ceiling prospect for fit with someone who may not be here longterm just doesn't seem the best way to go.

[Jody23]

I'll also add that I think the possibility of coming away with Risacher AND Clingan seems pretty remote.

[terrell]

38 minutes ago, JTB said:

That’s fair …it’s really the Herb addition that makes it hard to believe it’s a good deal for the pelicans. Herb is on an extremely cheap contract and has DPOY potential.

unless they think Murphy can do what Herb does it’s hard to see the benefit of this but I get it, to maximize Zion they need a playmaker and DJ is on a great contract.

Perhaps they believe they could still be a top defensive team with Murray, Murphy, Zion, Capela….it looks good on paper defensively so maybe I’m answering my own question.

Capela clogs the lane for Zion on Offense..

They need a stretch 5.. lol

Edited June 4 by terrell

[bird_dirt]

Just now, terrell said:

Capela clogs the lane for Zion on Offense..

They need a stretch 5.. lol

I think what you meant to say is Clint takes a lot of rebounding and defensive pressure off of Zion. He would be a great fit!

[terrell]

1 minute ago, bird_dirt said:

I think what you meant to say is Clint takes a lot of rebounding and defensive pressure off of Zion. He would be a great fit!

Defensively I guess if Clint plays like the old Clint..

On Offense meh...

Plus Murray cant throw lobs.. Zion and especially CC need a lob thrower. lol

[JTB]

36 minutes ago, Jody23 said:

If Trae was on his rookie deal where the Hawks had more certainty about keeping him longer, perhaps I could understand this reasoning.  But he is not and taking a lower ceiling prospect for fit with someone who may not be here longterm just doesn't seem the best way to go.

Fair point.

agreed. That’s why I go back and forth between Sarr and Clingan lol

[Sothron]

1 hour ago, JTB said:

The fact that OO is not mentioned in this deal is outstanding but I have to admit…it doesn’t make sense for the Pelicans.

They get 3 starters for 2 starters and back up and Capela is an expiring. New Orleans will never pay the luxury tax. Brad Rowland has mentioned this multiple times on his Locked On Hawks podcast. If you think Ressler is cheap, and he is, the Pels are even worse. They will *not* pay the LT which is why Ingram has to go. 

21 minutes ago, terrell said:

Capela clogs the lane for Zion on Offense..

They need a stretch 5.. lol

They already had that with Jonas V. They need a rebounder/defensive center more than anything which is why Capela is a great fit for them.

[JTB]

Just now, Sothron said:

They get 3 starters for 2 starters and back up and Capela is an expiring. New Orleans will never pay the luxury tax. Brad Rowland has mentioned this multiple times on his Locked On Hawks podcast. If you think Ressler is cheap, and he is, the Pels are even worse. They will *not* pay the LT which is why Ingram has to go. 

Ok gotcha! I knew there had to be some kind of twist to this.

now that you mention it I recall this being pointed out before about the pelicans owner. Thanks for the reminder. So getting a team friendly contract in DJ and an expiring in Capela not to mention locked up Hunter is intriguing for a cheap owner who just want to stay relevant  

man Zion may blow up after seeing that trade though lol. It still feels very one sided in favor of the hawks.

[Hawkish]

1 minute ago, Sothron said:

They get 3 starters for 2 starters and back up and Capela is an expiring. New Orleans will never pay the luxury tax. Brad Rowland has mentioned this multiple times on his Locked On Hawks podcast. If you think Ressler is cheap, and he is, the Pels are even worse. They will *not* pay the LT which is why Ingram has to go. 

They already had that with Jonas V. They need a rebounder/defensive center more than anything which is why Capela is a great fit for them.

I’m sure we will all help drive them to New Orleans.  This trade without OO or any picks would be the best trade I can remember us making. 

[Sothron]

1 minute ago, Hawkish said:

I’m sure we will all help drive them to New Orleans.  This trade without OO or any picks would be the best trade I can remember us making. 

There's two trades being discussed, I listed the other one. This is the best case scenario I mentioned that some in the FO want to happen. And yes, as @Mikey has said Clingan is still in consideration for #1. 

[Hawkish]

4 minutes ago, Sothron said:

There's two trades being discussed, I listed the other one. This is the best case scenario I mentioned that some in the FO want to happen. And yes, as @Mikey has said Clingan is still in consideration for #1. 

Understood — I don’t see a reason/benefit behind the version without Herb.  He is the reason to speak to NO at all.  

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, Hawkish said:

Understood — I don’t see a reason/benefit behind the version without Herb.  He is the reason to speak to NO at all.  

No Herb means a big pass or that the Hawks FO is really stupid or that Ressler is interfering.  Only the pass option is a good thing.

[Jody23]

19 minutes ago, Sothron said:

There's two trades being discussed, I listed the other one. This is the best case scenario I mentioned that some in the FO want to happen. And yes, as @Mikey has said Clingan is still in consideration for #1. 

Why does Ressler like/want Clingan so badly?

[Sothron]

Just now, Jody23 said:

Why does Ressler like/want Clingan so badly?

It isn't just Ressler. Clingan is probably the best defensive center in the draft. He's also smart, a great pass and screener and has shown the ability to shoot from three. There's a lot to like there, frankly.

[Jody23]

3 minutes ago, Sothron said:

It isn't just Ressler. Clingan is probably the best defensive center in the draft. He's also smart, a great pass and screener and has shown the ability to shoot from three. There's a lot to like there, frankly.

I can't trust the shooting part because that hasn't been displayed in actual games.  I remember Dwight Howard shooting threes and free throws proficiently in his summer workouts too.  I'd be cautious about the shooting.