2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[deester11]

This inside information reeks of stupidity.  Why in name of why's are you wanting to combine mediicre players instead of aiming for the highest potential player? Which regardless of any detractors, he has justly been said to have the highest freaking ceiling.  If you're going to be dumb enough not to draft Sarr, at least draft Risacher. He's got problems too, but trading back for Knecht? Wtf? Holland? Any damn one of em?

This is seriously depressing knowing we got a couple of weeks until the draft. Just damn it all.  And I know...can't believe everything but jeez.  

[parfait]

If they're strongly considering a drop down with SA to get #4 and #8, I wonder if they've also worked out a slight slide-up to #3 with Houston to get Clingan there?

[KB21]

[LucastheThird]

I can't keep reading the rumors and insider memos. All of this is not adding up.

 

First, we weren't paying attention to the draft since we were only picking around #10, and that player wouldn't fit into any of our plans to win. "Weakest draft in recent history"

Then we get #1 shockingly, and the pairing of Sarr and Trae was being salivated over

Now the plan is to trade down and get two picks outside the top 3???

 

[NekiEcko]

That is outright garbage; there are no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

It feels like they are some of the RealGM posters that comes up with the stupid trades and no realizing behind it.

I feel that FO is fine, gifting lottery pick to Spurs because we love them so much.

[deester11]

1 minute ago, LucastheThird said:

I can't keep reading the rumors and insider memos. All of this is not adding up.

 

First, we weren't paying attention to the draft since we were only picking around #10, and that player wouldn't fit into any of our plans to win. "Weakest draft in recent history"

Then we get #1 shockingly, and the pairing of Sarr and Trae was being salivated over

Now the plan is to trade down and get two picks outside the top 3???

 

Its the Hawks.  What sense do they ever make? I'm hoping smoke screen but I'm getting BK vibes...

[Mikey]

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

Risacher is the top prospect at this point by most NBA FO and not Sarr. 

I think everyone here should be mentally prepared we trade the #1 pick. I think it is likely we trade with the Spurs for 4 and 8 and they take Risacher. We will take Clingan at 4 and someone like Knecht at 8 to give Trae a shooter. 

I think the Pels trade in some fashion will take place where we move Murray and Capela and get Ingram plus other things back. 

That 8th pick could be on the way out to facilitate the herb part of the pels deal 

[LucastheThird]

Just now, Mikey said:

That 8th pick could be on the way out to facilitate the herb part of the pels deal 

We effectively give up the #1 pick to get Herb Jones?

 

HELL NO

[Hawkish]

1 minute ago, LucastheThird said:

We effectively give up the #1 pick to get Herb Jones?

 

HELL NO

I think he is saying:

ATL: Ingram-Herb-Nance-#4

SA: #1

NO: DJ-CC-Hunter-#8

[KB21]

4 minutes ago, Mikey said:

That 8th pick could be on the way out to facilitate the herb part of the pels deal 

So, DJM and the 8th pick for what will essentially be Herb Jones as the only positive acquisition for the Hawks?  NO!

[Hawkish]

Just now, KB21 said:

So, DJM and the 8th pick for what will essentially be Herb Jones as the only positive acquisition for the Hawks?  NO!

Does seem like quite an overpay…I can only imagine the feeling of what we gave up for DJ versus trading him along with a lottery pick for Herb.  Massive pie in the face

Edited June 5 by Hawkish

[LucastheThird]

Just now, Hawkish said:

I think he is saying:

ATL: Ingram-Herb-Nance-#4

SA: #1

NO: DJ-CC-Hunter-#8

Still a HELL NO from me. 

Herb and #4 is not enough value for gifting San Antonio with Sarr + Wemby

 

I like Herb, but Sarr can be Herb Jones by year 2. 

[deester11]

1 minute ago, Hawkish said:

It's quite an overpay…

Fixed.

[Gray Mule]

Let me see if I've got this right.  Atlanta Hawks have the #1 pick this summer in a draft that is said to be much weaker than usual.  There is one player, however, that most experts believe is the #1 pick.  He's 19 years old.  He's over 7' tall.  He has moves like a good PG.  He has three years pro experience.  He has the exact skills and size that are most needed by this Hawk team.  He has the potential of being an all-star player for many seasons.

Rumor has it that they are considering trading this pick for two later picks in this very weak draft.  They will then have two players who have no quickness, have no dribbling skills whatsoever and have very poor free throw shooting skills.  These two have the potential of being pretty good bench players for several seasons.

Gee! This sure sounds like a grand deal for someone, doesn't it.  

[AtLaS]

Sarr weaknesses.  Strength/Bulk/Screen setting, needs to work on his jumper a bit but is already hitting them in games at 18 years old.  Strength and screen setting are two of the easiest things to improve.  Just eat more, workout a lot (he is a gym rat by all indications), and improve on his jumper.  He's already shooting 71% from FT, already shooting 30% from 3 at 18 years old in a pro league, just needs slight improvement to be respectable.  He has a ton of potential as a shooter.  That is mutant status.

Bulk/Strength and screen setting with proper effort are GUARANTEED to improve.  These are physical things that if you eat + lift you will achieve, plus naturally getting older he will get stronger.

 

Clingan will never have quick feet like Sarr, he will never be able to guard in space like Sarr.  He's a terrible FT shooter and it's extremely rare that players turn from bad shooters into good ones.  No amount of effort or work will allow Clingan to guard in space, ever.  Shooting is also very difficult to improve for guys like Sarr.  How much 50% FT shooters eventually become respectable jumpshooters and FT shooters?  If he works his ass off for years he might never be as good a shooter as Sarr is at 18 years old.

 

Sarr's weaknesses are things that are EASY to improve.  It's just bulk and strength mainly.

Edited June 5 by AtLaS

[deester11]

1 minute ago, Gray Mule said:

Let me see if I've got this right.  Atlanta Hawks have the #1 pick this summer in a draft that is said to be much weaker than usual.  There is one player, however, that most experts believe is the #1 pick.  He's 19 years old.  He's over 7' tall.  He has moves like a good PG.  He has three years pro experience.  He has the exact skills and size that are most needed by this Hawk team.  He has the potential of being an all-star player for many seasons.

Rumor has it that they are considering trading this pick for two later picks in this very weak draft.  They will then have two players who have no quickness, have no dribbling skills whatsoever and have very poor free throw shooting skills.  These two have the potential of being pretty good bench players for several seasons.

Gee! This sure sounds like a grand deal for someone, doesn't it.  

You keeping me at 10 today Gray! Makes no sense but this is Hawk type behavior and we should expect this level of nonsense.  Only we should not be this dumb to do the moves being thrown around.  Smdh 

[AHF]

4 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

Let me see if I've got this right.  Atlanta Hawks have the #1 pick this summer in a draft that is said to be much weaker than usual.  There is one player, however, that most experts believe is the #1 pick.  He's 19 years old.  He's over 7' tall.  He has moves like a good PG.  He has three years pro experience.  He has the exact skills and size that are most needed by this Hawk team.  He has the potential of being an all-star player for many seasons.

Rumor has it that they are considering trading this pick for two later picks in this very weak draft.  They will then have two players who have no quickness, have no dribbling skills whatsoever and have very poor free throw shooting skills.  These two have the potential of being pretty good bench players for several seasons.

Gee! This sure sounds like a grand deal for someone, doesn't it.  

It all depends on who they pick.  I think the most likely scenario sees Sarr / Risacher / Clingan in the first 3 picks.

If you take Ware, he looks like he has FT% potential.  He shot 71% last year and shot 42% from 3 this season.  Edey was a solid free throw shooter.  Both Ware and Edey have shot better than Sarr did (on free throws or 3's) so that isn't a straight given that Sarr will be better than both of them at both of those shooting skills.  

Among the guards and wings, there are obviously guys who can dribble and guys who can hit their fts (and some guys who will struggle with one or both of those).  

All these guys have some intriguing skills and some real warts.

[bird_dirt]

1 hour ago, macdaddy said:

Hmm.  Guess i'm the only one who likes the hat.  

It matches the suit. 

[Spud2nique]

Please don’t draft Reezaachuurrrei! Y’all want me stumblina season long! - 

Just now, bird_dirt said:

It matches the suit. 

A wise guy ehhhh!

[AHF]

As long as we draft the best player in the draft, there is upside in trading down.  It worked out great for Boston when they traded out of the top spot and took Tatum.  Worked out great for Dallas when they traded down in the lottery and took Dirk.  You just must get it right.  I don't have great faith in our front office to pull this off but I will at least acknowledge that there is historical precedent.