2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[deester11]

5 hours ago, Sothron said:

My belief, backed up by Supes source, is IF and I stress *IF* we do the SAS trade for 4/8 is we also move 4 and AJ griffin to Houston for #3 so we take Clingan and Houston probably takes Reed Sheppard at 4. Number 8 is more wide open.

Were not shooting the messenger.  We're questioning the competency of the front office to think it's conceivable to trade down for two "perceived" lesser talents instead of at least swinging for the fence with Sarr.  Whether we believe the insiders is an individual thing. Many of us love the Intel.  But if we question the wisdom of such azzhatery, forgive us.

That said..everything with trade proposals and a draft scenario that involves trading down for freaking Clingan before this post sucks. Stinks.  Reeks. Can any insider tell their source to relay to the team...they stink?

[KB21]

Why is there talk about Zach f***ing Edey again?

[deester11]

2 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Why is there talk about Zach f***ing Edey again?

There's not enough pain over the last umpteen pages..damn 

[deester11]

1 hour ago, Jody23 said:

Agreed.  We all have our takes on what the Hawks should do in the draft, but the reality is what they do via trade and/or free agency is of FAR more consequence when it comes to how good or bad they'll be next year.  And I guarantee that's where Trae's thinking is as well.

I've said this many pages ago.  So it's simple really.  Draft Sarr.  Get to the business of offloading dead weight in trades.

[bird_dirt]

5 hours ago, Mikey said:

This is a 50 win team and at minimum second round exit. Truly believe that team contends with the Celtics as long as BI is healthy 

 

5 hours ago, kg01 said:

On this I'll say one thing, the East is wide a**open.  Folks really have to understand we're not as far off as it seems.

Yeah, I think 50 wins is a stretch. But like KG says, East wide open and anything can happen based on movement along the margins. 
I want Sarr pretty bad, but I would love getting Herb Jones, and I think BI is a PRIME buy low candidate. I wanted him a few years ago when he was still an underrated player. 
Clingan to top it off would help me to fr the ledge since my biggest draft requirement is coming away with a 7 footer. 

[RedDawg#8]

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

I’m so damn excited to see the mid range maven Brandon Ingram do the exact same things that made Dejounte Murray a bad fit with the Hawks.   

At least he will be doing it in a 6’8 frame where he can create a positional advantage. It’s a lot more palatable having a forward sized player who like to score in the mid post.

Remember, 90% of the issues with DJ was that he overlaps so much of what Trae is. Ball dominant small guard whose best fit is at PG. l

Ingram is bigger, less (key word is less, not zero) ball dependent, and can play multiple positions not named PG. 

If Murray could do exactly what he did just in a bigger size that would eliminate half the fit issues.Ingram is not a perfect complement but he is a better compliment.

50 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

Just wait until he’s making $20M a year more than DJM too. 

And just like everyone ASSUMED we would have to pay DJ over $40 mil a year to resign, let’s allow things to play themselves out. He could take less than market value (a trend of ours recently) or there could be another SnT opportunity out there for him that could net us additional assets.

The point is to not stand pat because it’s not a perfect match but to flip a player we gave up big assets to acquire for a similar level talent instead of settling for a handful of warm bodies.

[KB21]

There will be the exact same issues with Ingram.  He doesn’t want to shoot threes.  He prefers to pound the air out of the ball to get himself into his mid range shot.  He’s a bad defender.  

[terrell]

2 hours ago, thecampster said:

Trade 1 for 4/8. Pick the right 2 (my opinion is Edey/Knecht but I accept that's not popular) and they're objectively better next year than Sarr and or any vet you can sign for the minimum.

Our biggest issue last year was forward depth. With Bey being out of the picture, we need 1 extra forward for depth and 1 to replace Bey. We aren't finding that for the vet min. Our 2nd biggest issue was size. Taking a tall but light center doesn't address either issue. Losing Bey makes us smaller (at least strength). Vit is going to get a shot but he's light. We need size, an enforcer on the floor, lots of little things. One future center is the right answer for a team rebuilding post tank. It does nothing for us today.

Trae and Edey will be a sight to see........

[RedDawg#8]

9 minutes ago, KB21 said:

There will be the exact same issues with Ingram.  He doesn’t want to shoot threes.  He prefers to pound the air out of the ball to get himself into his mid range shot.  He’s a bad defender.  

Quin will make him shoot more threes, which he is good at, just like he did with DJ.

Ingram had a defensive rating of 114.4 which would have been the best on our team last season. He has, like most players, improved dramatically on defense over the years. His length allowed him to matchup all over the court as needed. 

https://www.nola.com/sports/pelicans/brandon-ingrams-progress-on-defense-nba-pelicans-western-conference-playoffs/article_c9612f24-e245-11ee-99fd-db41beeea2e1.html
 

Edited June 6 by RedDawg#8

[supermariowest]

57 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Ten?

Slide me another, make it a cool 11 like our franchise star?  

One more for the good guy? You really are an outsider aren’t you.

I don’t think there’s a reasonable path to making us a top 4 seed in the east next year. IMO too many folks in this thread are acting like we can easily turn things around by moving Murray, Hunter, and Capella (without offering realistic/feasible ideas). Murray is a valuable player on a reasonable contract but the rumored trades don’t make us considerably better. Likewise, we’re not going to get back much value by moving an average-but-overpaid wing or an expiring center who has lost a step or two or three.

[kg01]

18 minutes ago, supermariowest said:

One more for the good guy? You really are an outsider aren’t you.

I don’t think there’s a reasonable path to making us a top 4 seed in the east next year. IMO too many folks in this thread are acting like we can easily turn things around by moving Murray, Hunter, and Capella (without offering realistic/feasible ideas). Murray is a valuable player on a reasonable contract but the rumored trades don’t make us considerably better. Likewise, we’re not going to get back much value by moving an average-but-overpaid wing or an expiring center who has lost a step or two or three.

I think, if we return the same roster, we could be a top 6 seed just with better health.

That's more a statement against the supposed greatness of teams in the East than a statement in support of our greatness as a team. 

[NekiEcko]

40 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I think, if we return the same roster, we could be a top 6 seed just with better health.

That's more a statement against the supposed greatness of teams in the East than a statement in support of our greatness as a team. 

Top 6, with this roster?

Now, you have to remember when we had everybody healthy, this team was at .500 and you thinking that we can be TOP 6 with this current roster.  No No No

 

 

Edited June 6 by NekiEcko

[hylndr11]

2 hours ago, KB21 said:

Herb Jones is the only positive asset the Hawks would be getting in the New Orleans trade.  

Thanks Captain 

[sturt]

On 6/2/2024 at 6:57 AM, AHF said:

Him being grossly overpaid hasn’t changed and last year was not some great breakout for him.

 

On 6/2/2024 at 2:44 PM, JeffS17 said:

Careful before you bring Sturt back out from the shadows lol

 

Nah, got no problem with AHF's comment. JC was grossly overpaid as of the time of the trade in June 2023.

Common misunderstanding, or so it seems... I was never asserting that JC was worth his paycheck at the time of the trade. If one hadn't gotten it already, s/he probably isn't going to get it now, but suffice it to say, the perceptive observer recognized what that trade said in the bigger picture than just the trade itself... the statement the trade made about Tony Ressler's mindset, strongly suspected before, but made vivid and definitive in that moment.

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, kg01 said:

I think, if we return the same roster, we could be a top 6 seed just with better health.

Ya I got top 5 or 6 as well. Weren’t we like one of the most injured teams in the league? Plus it was Quin’s first year, and we have the top pick.

[Sothron]

Ingram is not a bad defender. He's average. His wingspan and height help him out a lot.

[deester11]

7 hours ago, kg01 said:

I think, if we return the same roster, we could be a top 6 seed just with better health.

That's more a statement against the supposed greatness of teams in the East than a statement in support of our greatness as a team. 

KG WE RIDE.  Usually. But...

[Gray Mule]

7 hours ago, kg01 said:

I think, if we return the same roster, we could be a top 6 seed just with better health.

That's more a statement against the supposed greatness of teams in the East than a statement in support of our greatness as a team. 

Agreed!  Don't forget how many man hours we lost last season.  Our draft picks of last season would be healthy and available.  We have one draft pick coming, whoever he is, and would add him to the active 15.

[kg01]

6 hours ago, NekiEcko said:

Top 6, with this roster?

Now, you have to remember when we had everybody healthy, this team was at .500 and you thinking that we can be TOP 6 with this current roster.  No No No

 

 

Read all of what I said.

[kg01]

26 minutes ago, deester11 said:

KG WE RIDE.  Usually. But...

I said what I said, gosh darn it.

The East is/was bad and it's not (likely) getting much better next season.  We're flawed but better than we showed this past season.