Premium Member BangHolman Posted June 7 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 7 I can get on board with Clingan IF we do the Nola deal, trade with Spurs for 4 and 8, and then 4 and AJ for 3. I've come around on that. I would prefer Nola deal and Sarr, but I can see the vision behind the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 5 minutes ago, Mikey said: Because all you see it big white guy that defends and nothing else. Hes better than kessler on both ends Have you watched Clingan pass? Yes and I’ve watched Gasol as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted June 7 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted June 7 2 hours ago, AtLaS said: Giving up a potential all-star (Murray) on a great contract plus trading out of a potential superstar at #1 for a defensive role player in Jones? And Ingram? I LOVE Jones, but he is at best the 4th/5th best player on a championship team. Exactly. This doesn't make any sense to me. It's like we have not assigned any real value to Murray in this version. Like are we saying Murray for BI and Herb for 8?? 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 9 minutes ago, Mikey said: Because all you see it big white guy that defends and nothing else. Hes better than kessler on both ends Have you watched Clingan pass? He's better than Kessler on both ends only because you are projecting him to be better, but he hasn't shown the in-game skill level to actually be better. Kessler was at least equal to if not better as an overall rim protector defensively. They both have limitations guarding in space. Neither have shown any in-game ability to play on the perimeter offensively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted June 7 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 7 49 minutes ago, REHawksFan said: It seems like you are arguing against something that no one is arguing for. I haven't seen anyone suggest trading the 1st pick for Herb Jones. Unless I've missed something, the trade that has been discussed is DJM/Hunter/Capela for Ingram/Jones/Nance. No picks involved. In that scenario, you could and should still draft Sarr with the 1st pick. Trae/Ingram/Jones/JJ/OO Kobi/Bogi/Vit/Nance/Sarr There was an insider post regarding trading #1 for #4 and #8...then flipping 8 in a trade to acquire Herb. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post Wretch Posted June 7 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted June 7 Gonna chime in for the record. I've already said all these things in different threads, but I want the receipts in one place lol Brandon Ingram - I think it's a mistake to draw comparisons to DJ. They play different positions, are different sizes, and have different instincts. It's a different fit and we will see that if we trade for him or if someone else picks him up. He has been at the top of my wishlist for awhile and as @bird_dirt mentioned somewhere, he's a great "buy low" candidate (much like Porzingis, another player who was on my radar). On the flipside, DJ for Ingram is not "buying low." It's gambling on an All Star with an expiring contract and looking to get paid.We need more coming back. Herb Jones makes this interesting, but I don't share the love affair with him. He's a fine get, but he's also the kind of role player the Squawk typically hyper fixates on - quality starter , fills a need , plays defense . Sarr - Aside from the once in a lifetime can't miss prospects, ABSOLUTELY. NOBODY. KNOWS. what any lottery pick will turn out to be. Not scouts who get paid to watch them in person, not coaches working them out, and not us watching hours and hours of highlights. Teams miss every year. Every single year they miss because they don't know. That's just the NBA draft. Dallas didn't even know who Luka was going to be until he started playing real games. Nobody knows, so the argument for Sarr isn't about KNOWING he's going to be better than anyone else. The argument is how fast he is relative to his size, how well he handles the ball for his size, his athleticism, his natural shooting mechanics/instincts (not stats) that that are desirable the modern NBA big, and his floor on the defensive end. That and he's apparently a workaholic. You don't pick for need, fit, "win now", character, or any of that bullsh!t when you have a high lottery pick. You pick for potential. There is definitely some Sarr hype going on. There is ALWAYS some kind of hype and yes, that is how teams make huge draft mistakes. The bigger mistake by far though is prioritizing anything but max potential in the high lottery...let alone the #1 pick. It is imperative that we swing for the fences and Sarr is as good a swing as there is in this draft. "Win now" - Absolutely not. Put the best team that we can on the floor without going all in to "appease our star." I love Trae and have been one of his champions on the Squawk. However, I'm worried about a meddling owner and overthinking making a huge mess of trying to make Trae happy. We need to do what's best for the franchise, not what's best for Trae. If those two things don't align, then we need to make a decision sooner than later. 7 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 48 minutes ago, Mikey said: Player not listed that he has shades of Marc Gasol I see more Marc Gasol in Edey than Donovan. Marc like Zach has tremendous lower body strength. Whereas Donovan has the tremendous upper body strength. The difference is Gasol is a poor athlete with tremendous fluidity and Edey is a freak athlete with poor fluidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 I think Risacher may be the pick and I’m good with that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 7 minutes ago, theheroatl said: I think Risacher may be the pick and I’m good with that He absolutely shouldn't be the pick. He's less compelling as a "big wing" after his measurements. I feel like he needs to be a guard, and I don't think he has the self-creation skills to do it anytime soon. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KB21 said: He absolutely shouldn't be the pick. He's less compelling as a "big wing" after his measurements. I feel like he needs to be a guard, and I don't think he has the self-creation skills to do it anytime soon. I think he has a promising chance to be a star in the NBA. He wouldn't be a big wing.. He is more like a large guard. He would see most time at SG/SF. IMO I would start him like this: Trae Risacher JJ Power Forward like Randle OO Edited June 7 by theheroatl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted June 7 Author Moderators Report Share Posted June 7 Just now, theheroatl said: I think he has a promising chance to be a star in the NBA. He wouldn't be a big wing.. He is more like a large guard. He would see most time at SG/SF. IMO I would start him like this: Trae Risacher JJ Power Forward like Randle OO What does a star Rischer look like to you? Khris Middleton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 If the trade actually happens for Ingram and Jones I don’t see how we draft Richasare. That would be 3 offseason additions that overlap positionally with each other or JJ. We would most certainly take the center of our choice in that case. I think Richasare becomes a real possibility if we have yet to address wing defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 12 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said: If the trade actually happens for Ingram and Jones I don’t see how we draft Richasare. That would be 3 offseason additions that overlap positionally with each other or JJ. We would most certainly take the center of our choice in that case. I think Richasare becomes a real possibility if we have yet to address wing defense. JJ is a tweener who can't play on the wing. He doesn't overlap with anyone but Gueye and Sarr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 (edited) 12 minutes ago, NBASupes said: JJ is a tweener who can't play on the wing. He doesn't overlap with anyone but Gueye and Sarr My point is if you have Ingram, Jones and JJ at your 2, 3 and 4, where does Richasare fit? Im not calling JJ a wing in this example, but putting him in the mix in case someone envisions Richasare as a forward option. So worded another way, is even if you think he can play some at the 4, we already have JJ in that spot. He becomes less valuable if we make the Pels trade. Especially if it’s a tie between him and our other favorite prospects. Edited June 7 by RedDawg#8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, RedDawg#8 said: My point is if you have Ingram, Jones and JJ at your 2, 3 and 4, where does Richasare fit? Im not calling JJ a wing in this example, but putting him in the mix in case someone envisions Richasare as a forward option. Be becomes less valuable if we make that trade. Especially if it’s a tie between him and our other favorite prospects. Where is this idea we are landing Herb and Ingram from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RedDawg#8 Posted June 7 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, NBASupes said: Where is this idea we are landing Herb and Ingram from? Nowhere. I completely made it up. It hasn’t been mentioned anywhere on this board before now. 1 1 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealist Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 16 minutes ago, NBASupes said: JJ is a tweener who can't play on the wing. He doesn't overlap with anyone but Gueye and Sarr genuinely curious as to what you think JJ's limitations are on the wing. i've always hoped he could develop into more of a switchable big wing than just a 4. is it his inability to guard opposing wing players that's holding him back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 The only way I do the NO trade is if they find another team to take Ingram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 (edited) 35 minutes ago, AHF said: What does a star Rischer look like to you? Khris Middleton? Franz Wagner 22-6-4 player Not a Durant but more a Wagner who absolutely helped the magic a lot this year Edited June 7 by theheroatl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 5 minutes ago, theheroatl said: Franz Wagner 22-6-4 player Not a Durant but more a Wagner who absolutely helped the magic a lot this year He's going to have to get A LOT better off the dribble and as a playmaker to meet that expectation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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