2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[deester11]

11 minutes ago, parfait said:

I don't think it is the difference of opinion that Mikey and Sothron are referring to. For sure an exchange of opinions is what this and all message boards are all about. It's the vitriol and outrage that has become over-the-top and downright comical. "Same old BS!" "The choice is so obvious!" "How can the Hawks be so stupid again!" "I'm quitting this team forever if they pass on Sarr!"

These guys are reporting that team officials throughout the league are uncertain about the prospects at the top of this draft. Yet us fans, after having skimmed YouTube compilations when we were supposed to be completing our required HR videos, have got these prospects figured out to a level of certainty that is at or near 100%!

Some people have been fans of this team for too many years to count. The fans don't owe it to the team to sit back and enjoy the excellence that permeates from the Hawks. When they achieve something for more than a year at a time, cool.  And before you say they don't owe the fans, why do sports then?

IF and I say a big IF some of the things the insiders tell us come to fruition, I can't change it. I happen to love this team and I'll bytch and whine about things that resemble the same ol Hawks.  I want to win. And just because I'm not in basketball operations doesn't mean I don't know basketball.  Most here do.

Edited June 8 by deester11

[KB21]

14 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

And is it that they prefer Clingan to Sarr or is it he had a really good workout with the Hawks and they like him.

The others options have not even been in for workouts as yet, so making any kind of concrete decision now, means the FO have not completed their due diligence. So I don't buy that for one second. 

At this point, it's all noise.

True.  I’m basing my thoughts on why they like and will probably draft Clingan on what Quin typically has his big do. That does come with the question as to what Quin actually wants to do defensively.  I just can’t see him wanting to be limited to drop only. 
 

Quin runs a complex system.  Clingan was able to grasp a complex system at the college level.  I don’t think that is something that Quin will ignore.  Hurley runs a heavy ball screen system that utilized Clingan’s screen setting and connectivity passing.  Defensively, he has played mostly drop but has shown the ability to close out and has played at the level of the screen and been able to use his length to recover if beaten.  

[Gray Mule]

48 minutes ago, KB21 said:

So you are ignoring the fact that Edey can’t actually guard anyone?

Not really.   If he just stands between the player and the goal, with arms outstretched, this will stop some from going directly to the goal.  and, if they are close enough to him, they must then shoot over him.  Not a really easy task.  He's a pretty big man to try to run over.  

Are you really sure that he's unable to guard anyone?  Where can I find this information because I don't know?

[KB21]

1 minute ago, Gray Mule said:

Not really.   If he just stands between the player and the goal, with arms outstretched, this will stop some from going directly to the goal.  and, if they are close enough to him, they must then shoot over him.  Not a really easy task.  He's a pretty big man to try to run over.  

Are you really sure that he's unable to guard anyone?  Where can I find this information because I don't know?

Just watch his film.  No team in the NBA is just going to camp him out in the paint.  The NBA has a 3 seconds rule that they don’t have in college.  
 

Ryan Dunn is a better rim protector than Zach Edey.  6’7” Dunn.  

[AHF]

The Atlanta Hawks have a long history of terrible decision making from their front office in the draft.  A monkey throwing darts would have been better than some of our GMs.  People are going to be right and wrong about prospects and in some cases our fans will have better takes (as far as measured by outcome) than our more informed GM.  Fans have a right to their opinions and our FO hasn’t earned a free pass not to be second guessed (if such a thing exists).

[NBASupes]

2 hours ago, Blunt91 said:

Hey @Sothron, @NBASupes  is there a chance if we move down to #3 that we can get 1 of their young guy's?  The Hawks should ask for Cam Whitmore in this deal along with the 3rd pick.  We draft Risacher for the Nets, the Nets send Bridges & future pick to Houston. 

From what I've gathered, no.

[Mikey]

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

Skill level, athleticism, length, defensive ability.  Wemby is NOT a traditional big.  Chet is NOT a traditional big.  Guys like Evan Mobley, Jaren Jackson Jr, Nic Claxton, and Bam Adebayo are NOT traditional bigs.  
 

They are switch bigs.  They can ALL play any PNR coverage.  They can all handle the basketball to some degree.  They all have perimeter ability.  It’s an archetype that is quickly becoming one of the more valuable archetypes in the league.  Much more valuable than your traditional drop big.  
 

Sarr’s shooting potential is clearly in line with the above mentioned names.  

The hawks were at their worst defensively when switching so bringing a switch big when the rest of your roster can't switch makes sense how? Also please stop comparing Alex sarr to the best prospect of the last 15 years. The [idea] that [] they are comparable is laughable. 

[KB21]

13 minutes ago, Mikey said:

The hawks were at their worst defensively when switching so bringing a switch big when the rest of your roster can't switch makes sense how? Also please stop comparing Alex sarr to the best prospect of the last 15 years. The [idea] that [] they are comparable is laughable. 

I understand why you want to diminish Sarr’s ability.  You’ve been told by someone that Clingan is their guy and are trying to build up justification for passing on the player with a higher upside.   You and the Hawks will be the ones who are wrong long-term.  I’m not wrong, and I won’t be wrong.  

[AHF]

14 minutes ago, Mikey said:

The hawks were at their worst defensively when switching so bringing a switch big when the rest of your roster can't switch makes sense how? Also please stop comparing Alex sarr to the best prospect of the last 15 years. The [idea] that [] they are comparable is laughable. 

The idea for me is that a frontcourt of JJ, Sarr, and OO could do things defensively that we haven’t been able to do in the past, imo.  That type of lineup opens the door defensively to some things you can’t do with CC and JC.

[deester11]

1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Naahh....we don't delete and change our posts like that one draft 'expert' (can't remember his name a national writer) did. 

We just come back and eat our crow.

I want a reason to eat crow.  The Hawks never entice me too. Hawk's always missing...

Edited June 8 by deester11

[terrell]

6 hours ago, KB21 said:

Interesting thread here discussing a defensive model among the college players.  Note that the Hawks have worked out Clingan, Clifford, and Mogbo on this list.  

Devin Carter is gonna be a steal for somebody.... 

[deester11]

1 minute ago, terrell said:

Devin Carter is gonna be a steal for somebody.... 

I like Carter 

[LarsV8]

3 hours ago, Blunt91 said:

Hey @Sothron, @NBASupes  is there a chance if we move down to #3 that we can get 1 of their young guy's?  The Hawks should ask for Cam Whitmore in this deal along with the 3rd pick.  We draft Risacher for the Nets, the Nets send Bridges & future pick to Houston. 

Cam Whitmore would go first in this draft. 

[RedDawg#8]

1 hour ago, Mikey said:

The hawks were at their worst defensively when switching so bringing a switch big when the rest of your roster can't switch makes sense how? Also please stop comparing Alex sarr to the best prospect of the last 15 years. The [idea] that [] they are comparable is laughable. 

We didn’t have the personnel to switch  but that is the type of roster that Quin wants. We ran more drop when OO went down as CC is not a switch big. 
For the better part of Quin’s tenure JJ+OO have been a tremendous defensive pairing due to their ability to play multiple defensive coverages.

 

[KB21]

38 minutes ago, terrell said:

Devin Carter is gonna be a steal for somebody.... 

I think 15 is his floor.  

[terrell]

4 hours ago, Blunt91 said:

Hey @Sothron, @NBASupes  is there a chance if we move down to #3 that we can get 1 of their young guy's?  The Hawks should ask for Cam Whitmore in this deal along with the 3rd pick.  We draft Risacher for the Nets, the Nets send Bridges & future pick to Houston. 

lol They love him like we love JJ..

You giving up JJ to move up 2 spots in this draft?

[hylndr11]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

The idea for me is that a frontcourt of JJ, Sarr, and OO could do things defensively that we haven’t been able to do in the past, imo.  That type of lineup opens the door defensively to some things you can’t do with CC and JC.

I just don't think JJ is going to play the 3, not going to be a great fit for him 

[terrell]

5 hours ago, kg01 said:

Shhhh... hopefully the Hawks are sellin' smoke. 

Guy has avg vert, meager length, and is considered a 3D potential defensive guy?  Yeah, ok. 

He’s fluid but not very explosive at all and doesn’t compensate for that with physical strength... No thanks.....

[terrell]

4 hours ago, Mikey said:

Can someone explain to me with real basketball reasons how there was no consensus number 1 in this draft all year yet you guys are saying the hawks are making a mistake and not open to any other player. such a laughably miserable fanbase that has decided a draft decision is right or wrong when guys haven’t even played a minute in the league. This is exactly what hornets fans did with brandon miller last year and look who was awesome year 1 

I think its all about different opinions right now, more than being right or wrong...

Of course fans who don't like certain players want to be Wrong if we take him.....

 

[Blunt91]

40 minutes ago, terrell said:

lol They love him like we love JJ..

You giving up JJ to move up 2 spots in this draft?

Maybe Tari then, I  just don't want to move down for  just Clingan & a protected pick.