2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[JayBirdHawk]

12 minutes ago, KB21 said:

ground coverage defensively

......and the speed with which one can do it, change direction, etc.

[Mikey]

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

Of those teams, only Minnesota is close to being exclusively drop coverage.  Boston very clearly isn't.  They blitz.  They hedge.  They show.  Dallas hedges a lot.  Denver does more hedging than drop because Jokic isn't a great rim protector and has a good feel for getting into passing lanes.  

As Sam Vecenie said in the podcast, ground coverage defensively is the most important aspect, particularly in the playoffs against teams running 5 out offenses.  

You are too worried with winning it all in one offseason. The hawks need to become a legit playoff team before they can become a contender where you are worrying about all these specific matchups and this and that. 

[KB21]

16 minutes ago, Mikey said:

You are too worried with winning it all in one offseason. The hawks need to become a legit playoff team before they can become a contender where you are worrying about all these specific matchups and this and that. 

That really has nothing to do with it.  I'm simply looking to get the player who projects to be better down the road and fits the modern NBA.

[Mikey]

"With so much uncertainty around Trae Young’s and Dejounte Murray’s future in Atlanta, the teams drafting behind them seem to have more appeal to the agencies representing prospects."

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/6/14/24178393/nba-draft-2024-alex-sarr-scouting-report-rankings-rumors

 

 

 

[RedDawg#8]

17 minutes ago, KB21 said:

That really has nothing to do with it.  I'm simply looking to get the player who projects to be better down the road and fits the modern NBA.

Right, it’s like they forget the basis of the whole argument against Sarr which is “he is raw and not ready to play yet”. Meanwhile Clingan is the reach all because everyone thinks he is ready to play now and we want to contend next season, allegedly.

This draft pick should not factor at all in to our team building strategy for 2024-25. It is a bonus piece that we should invest in with our highly touted player development. There is not one player, Clingan included, that makes us title contenders overnight. That idea needs to be put to rest. Lebron, Zion, Wemby, etc… couldn’t do it overnight when they were drafted and none of those talents exist in the draft.

We have to have the same long vision for this pick as we would Kobe and MoGeuyes development. Build around Trae with vets and let the young guys contribute only when they’re ready. 

[Spud2nique]

In the olden days it took young rookies time to transition to the league, not the case anymore they transition and do it fast .

Pick Sarr. 

[warcore]

On 6/12/2024 at 5:04 PM, JayBirdHawk said:

I can see a scenario where Hawks take Sarr, Wiz takes Zacc...then depending on who the Rockets take will determine the next moves. If Clingan is the Houston pick, Hawks keep Sarr, if it's Reed....the follow up deals would be as follows:

Hawks trade #1 Sarr to Wiz for #Zacc plus a future 1st that has to convey

Hawks then trade Zacc to SAS for #4 (Clingan) and #8.

That is how you maximize #1 if you aren't keeping it.

Let me repeat: I'm very UNCOMFORTABLE  trading with the Spurs, again!

Great post. 
Reed fits what HOU needs - feel pretty confident they will take him so IMO, the talk of #4 and AJ for #3 is bag GMing. And still agree to just keep Sarr if HOU somehow takes Clingan. 

[AHF]

I think the risk is less that Houston drafts Clingan and is more that Houston trades down to someone wanting Clingan.

[JayBirdHawk]

12 minutes ago, AHF said:

I think the risk is less that Houston drafts Clingan and is more that Houston trades down to someone wanting Clingan.

If they're interest in Reed, it limits how far they can trade down as well.

[KB21]

I think there is a chance that Washington takes Clingan at 2 if Sarr goes 1.  So, you would have to make sure that whoever goes up to #1 is wanting Risacher and not Sarr.  

[Afro]

1 hour ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Right, it’s like they forget the basis of the whole argument against Sarr which is “he is raw and not ready to play yet”. Meanwhile Clingan is the reach all because everyone thinks he is ready to play now and we want to contend next season, allegedly.

This draft pick should not factor at all in to our team building strategy for 2024-25. It is a bonus piece that we should invest in with our highly touted player development. There is not one player, Clingan included, that makes us title contenders overnight. That idea needs to be put to rest. Lebron, Zion, Wemby, etc… couldn’t do it overnight when they were drafted and none of those talents exist in the draft.

We have to have the same long vision for this pick as we would Kobe and MoGeuyes development. Build around Trae with vets and let the young guys contribute only when they’re ready. 

Why does no one mention Clingan managed to play.... 22 minutes last year. 

The "best prospect for immediate impact" can only play 20mpg?

 

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, Mikey said:

You are too worried with winning it all in one offseason. The hawks need to become a legit playoff team before they can become a contender where you are worrying about all these specific matchups and this and that. 

 But I thought the idea behind getting Clingan is because he's more 'nba ready' fir next season, since we don't have time to 'develop' Sarr. 

I'd prefer we look beyond just next season but also the next few years and how the #1 projects.

[Afro]

Everyone says "Sarr couldnt get on the floor in a meh league" but he managed to play 17mpg as a backup. 

But the dude who is unquestionably better to fix our defense immediately can barely stay on the floor longer? As a starter? 

I'm starting to feel like I'm taking crazy pills lol

Edited June 14 by Afro

[JayBirdHawk]

2 hours ago, Mikey said:

"With so much uncertainty around Trae Young’s and Dejounte Murray’s future in Atlanta, the teams drafting behind them seem to have more appeal to the agencies representing prospects."

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/6/14/24178393/nba-draft-2024-alex-sarr-scouting-report-rankings-rumors

 

 

 

This is why I keep saying 'The Hawks have done a miserable job controlling their own narrative.' They are letting everyone else set the tone for what they're doing or not doing. Perception matters.

Example: Cavs are in a similar boat with Mitchell and Garland, you know what the GM did...said they're telling coaching candidates they're keeping both their players. It changes perception even if it won't eventually be true.

 

[JayBirdHawk]

3 minutes ago, Afro said:

Everyone says "Sarr couldnt get on the floor in a meh league" but he managed to play 17mpg as a backup. 

But the dude who is unquestionably better to fix our defense immediately can barely stay on the floor longer? As a starter? 

I'm starting to feel like I'm taking crazy pills lol

This is a great point.

22mpg as a starter vs 17mpg as a backup.

[Afro]

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

This is a great point.

22mpg as a starter vs 17mpg as a backup.

I feel like I'm the only one that sees a downside to Clingan that isn't related to opportunity cost. 

Drop coverage and injury risk aside. What's gonna happen when you spent a #1 on a dude that can never play more than 26ish mpg? Like an Ivica Zubac. 

 

People wanna talk about "Quinns new Rudy". Rudy plays 34 minutes a night! His conditioning is a HUGE part of his impact. 

Edited June 14 by Afro

[Afro]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

This is why I keep saying 'The Hawks have done a miserable job controlling their own narrative.' They are letting everyone else set the tone for what they're doing or not doing. Perception matters.

Example: Cavs are in a similar boat with Mitchell and Garland, you know what the GM did...said they're telling coaching candidates they're keeping both their players. It changes perception even if it won't eventually be true.

 

If Landry f*cks up this pick and blabbers his mouth into terrible deals for Young/DJM he easily goes down as the worst GM of the modern Hawks era. 

[Afro]

This past week there's been a large "Sarr fans live in a fantasy world and ignore his flaws" sentiment.... 

But the same people act like Clingans ONLY flaw is a questionable ceiling for a top 3 pick. 

It's absurd and the hypocrisy is hella annoying. 

[Bonkers]

18 minutes ago, Afro said:

Why does no one mention Clingan managed to play.... 22 minutes last year. 

The "best prospect for immediate impact" can only play 20mpg?

 

I mentioned it earlier but I guess it was ignored lol

 

[Afro]

Just now, Bonkers said:

I mentioned it earlier but I guess it was ignored lol

 

I definitely missed it, but I've skimmed the last few pages lol. The discourse is going down hill(predictably as we get further in the process).