2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[terrell]

14 hours ago, deester11 said:

We're not advocating different other than at 1, we like Sarr.  This team hasn't swung for the fence in ever.  Damn the "safe" pick. It's never amounted to shyt for this franchise.  

Cam Reddish was one of the worst college basketball players ever statistically, and we still picked him.. I'd call that swinging for the fences.... 

[terrell]

12 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

You mean Adam Keefe in 92 wasn’t a swing for the fences?  What about Shelden in 2006. We pinch hit a couple times and knocked it out of the park with Gasol and Whoka and they went on to Memphis and Dallas respectively. 
 

Agreed. We got Trae now, swing it, go for it. We are a small market team this safe stuff has a second round ceiling with us, we gotta land our own stars ️ like Trae and keep them! 

Sheldon was more of a high floor low ceiling pick.

He was just awful.... smh

[RedDawg#8]

40 minutes ago, mountainjim said:

By Lauren Williams

19 hours ago

 

Editor’s note: With the Hawks holding the No. 1 pick in the coming NBA draft, there are plenty of opinions on what the team should do with the selection. Each week before the draft starts June 26, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution will present one opinion. This week: Jake Fischer from Yahoo Sports.

Less than two weeks remain until the NBA draft, and the Hawks have gotten some of their top targets in the building for workouts. But that doesn’t mean the Hawks are much closer to their decision, and they have a lot of things to continue to think about as they mull over their pick.

But many draft analysts and NBA insiders seem to lean toward French wing Zaccharie Risacher as the front-runner for who the Hawks may pick. In Monday’s episode of the Hawks Report podcast presented by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Yahoo Sports senior NBA reporter Jake Fischer broke down why experts project Risacher as the likely top pick in this month’s draft.

“I would probably lean toward Risacher right now, just being that A) in general across the league, these games are being decided on the perimeter,” Fischer said. “We’re watching it in the (NBA Finals), right now, with Luka Doncic and Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown being these big wings that can go and get anywhere on the floor anytime they want. And the Hawks don’t exactly have a surefire, clear-cut, like wing of the future.”

Fischer added that while the Hawks have Jalen Johnson in their rotation, the team likely envisions the 22-year-old forward as more of a point forward and that selecting Risacher would allow him to develop alongside Johnson.

The Hawks are in the unique position of being able to draft the best player available while addressing some the things that their rotation and lineups need. For Fischer though, the Hawks should take the guy with the highest possible ceiling and continue to build around that talent.

“I think at that point, you pick the guy that you think has the highest possible ceiling,” he said. “Like, I’m as big a Jalen Johnson fan as there is out there, and I flew down to Atlanta right before the trade deadline. We talked for 40 minutes, I spent time talking to his high school coach and his parents and people at Duke and people who were around him at the Skyhawks for a couple of games. Like I’m a big fan of that guy.

“But if you think someone in the draft is the best player in this draft, and he has the ultimate ceiling of all these prospects; Atlanta has been the most clear-cut definition of mediocre for the last four years. And if that’s where you stand as a franchise, you can’t afford to, you know; you don’t want to be Phoenix or Sacramento six years later and say, ‘Why didn’t we take Luka Doncic because we were afraid that he wouldn’t fit with Devin Booker, or we were afraid he wouldn’t fit with De’Aaron Fox.’ Those guys are phenomenal All-Stars in their own right.

“But now Luka is playing with Kyrie Irving, and he was having success with Jalen Brunson. Like there’s multiple guards, there’s multiple bigs, you know. I think Minnesota at the other end of the scale, these teams are just showing you got to get talent together and figure it out. And I just think that’s what the Hawks ultimately do, too.”

 

I don’t hate the logic at all. I dont like ZR, but the reasoning is spot on for me.

I do think you have to roll with Sarr or ZR, or even Matas for that matter. You cannot play it safe if picking number 1. You cannot focus solely on roster building. That’s how you draft a Sam Bowie over MJ, or a Bagley over Luka, or a Greg Oden (Clingan) over Kevin Durant.

When you settle for safe or ready now, you almost certainly ignore who is special/unique. If the Hawks pick anyone and justify the logic like the article, I can at least live with that. If we get cute and try to walk away with Clingan and Knect, I will be extremely turned off to this front office for good.

[terrell]

4 hours ago, bleachkit said:

Don't worry Jay, after striking out in the off season, you will get... "We decided we just really like our core, and we want this group to have a change to develop together."

[RedDawg#8]

8 minutes ago, terrell said:

Cam Reddish was one of the worst college basketball players ever statistically, and we still picked him.. I'd call that swinging for the fences.... 

He was our second lottery pick that year. We drafted Hunter at his same position and gambled actual assets to move up for him. That was a swing.

Reddish being drafted at 10 was not only a consolation prize, but even considered a steal at that spot as he was projected to be gone anywhere from 6-9 that draft.

We basically asked (2) girls to the prom just in case one canceled. But Cam was definitely the second choice. 

Edited June 15 by RedDawg#8

[terrell]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Seeing lots of Murray trade ideas cropping up:

Hawks get: Jalen Suggs, Jett Howard, Orlando's 2025 1st round pick, Orlando's 2027 first round pick

Magic Get: Dejounte Murray and Anfernee Simons

Blazers Get: Anthony Black, Orlando's 2024 1st round pick (No. 18 overall), and Orlando's 2025 1st rounder via Denver protected 1-5)

 

 

Sacramento Kings receive: Dejounte Murray, AJ Griffin

Atlanta Hawks receive: Harrison Barnes, Keon Ellis, Sasha Vezenkov, 2024 13th-overall pick

 

The Hawks fielded offers for Murray leading up to this past winter’s trade deadline but couldn’t find one worth executing. During that time, they spoke with the Knicks, league sources said, but the two sides never got close to an agreement. Part of Murray’s appeal to New York was his flippability; the Knicks could trade for Murray at the deadline, then include him in another deal for a star this summer or next season.
Source: New York Times

 

 

 

 

GIve us Suggs and Black + the picks..

They can keep Jett...

[terrell]

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

I would do the magic trade

Trading inside your own division is tough though....

 

Edited June 15 by terrell

[KB21]

7 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

I don’t hate the logic at all. I dont like ZR, but the reasoning is spot on for me.

I do think you have to roll with Sarr or ZR, or even Matas for that matter. You cannot play it safe if picking number 1. You cannot focus solely on roster building. That’s how you draft a Sam Bowie over MJ, or a Bagley over Luka, or a Greg Oden (Clingan) over Kevin Durant.

When you settle for safe or ready now, you almost certainly ignore who is special/unique. If the Hawks pick anyone and justify the logic like the article, I can at least live with that. If we get cute and try to walk away with Clingan and Knect, I will be extremely turned off to this front office for good.

Taking Bagley wasn’t a win now or upside decision.  I was simply a poor decision to take a guy who simply didn’t project well at any position.  

[terrell]

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

Essentially breaks down into 1 for 4 and 8; Murray for Johnson, #35, 25 FRP, and a future FRP.  
 

From an accounting standpoint, it saves the Hawks roughly $3.5 million in 24/25.   35th pick probably gets a two way deal.  

Ugg KJ isnt good..

Can we reroute him somewhere else? lol

 

[Jody23]

I think Risacher is going #1.  Now, if the Spurs want him, the Hawks should be getting more than just picks 4 and 8.  The Hawks have no incentive to just help the Spurs.  And on the remote chance the Hawks take Clingan at #1, the Wizards will take Sarr and I think Houston would take Risacher.

[Hawkish]

5 minutes ago, Jody23 said:

I think Risacher is going #1.  Now, if the Spurs want him, the Hawks should be getting more than just picks 4 and 8.  The Hawks have no incentive to just help the Spurs.  And on the remote chance the Hawks take Clingan at #1, the Wizards will take Sarr and I think Houston would take Risacher.

The Spurs ran us through the coals with our last trade.  Yet, we want to work something out with them that helps them more clearly than it helps us?  Kick rocks… 

[RedDawg#8]

17 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Taking Bagley wasn’t a win now or upside decision.  I was simply a poor decision to take a guy who simply didn’t project well at any position.  

They went “fit” next to Fox. They had their ball dominant guard already and didn’t “need” Luka. (Their logic not mine)

 still remember many around here bragging about his second jump like that’s ever been a thing that moved the needle.

That’s why I take everything with a grain of salt from the so called knowledgeable basketball folk around here.

[Jody23]

Just now, Hawkish said:

The Spurs ran us through the coals with our last trade.  Yet, we want to work something out with them that helps them more clearly than it helps us?  Kick rocks… 

Which is my point.  If the Hawks decided to deal with the Spurs, some of their future draft capital should be coming back.  Otherwise...

[TheFuzz]

8 hours ago, AHF said:

Fwiw, I am not expecting either Sheppard or Dillingahm to be true playmaking PGs I the NBA. I would label them more combo guards or small SGs with some playmaking ability.

I mostly agree but I think they'll have all star level impact and both fit well with JJ. Honestly I could talk myself into Sheppard over Sarr even with Trae. At a certain point the stats don't lie and Sheppard's stats are ridiculous 

[KB21]

 

[Final_quest]

7 minutes ago, Jody23 said:

Which is my point.  If the Hawks decided to deal with the Spurs, some of their future draft capital should be coming back.  Otherwise...

Tricky.  If we are saying the #8 pick in this draft is less valuable than our draft picks we are betting against ourselves.  What if we're trying to be a team that drafts in the 20's?  

[ShayD]

4 minutes ago, KB21 said:

 

If the Hawks didn't have Trae Young the pick would be easy. Now after landing at 1, everything is just more difficult than it needs to be. Just make the right pick/decision on draft night. Most important offseason in Trae Young era

[bleachkit]

6 minutes ago, ShayD said:

If the Hawks didn't have Trae Young the pick would be easy. Now after landing at 1, everything is just more difficult than it needs to be. Just make the right pick/decision on draft night. Most important offseason in Trae Young era

Correction, most important off season in the Dejounte Murray era. The Trae Young era will soon draw to a close.

[KB21]

7 minutes ago, ShayD said:

If the Hawks didn't have Trae Young the pick would be easy. Now after landing at 1, everything is just more difficult than it needs to be. Just make the right pick/decision on draft night. Most important offseason in Trae Young era

I think it should be easy, but apparently the league is seeing something that I’m not.  If you listen to the draft analysts, the league is higher on Risacher.  

[KB21]

2 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Correction, most important off season in the Dejounte Murray era. The Trae Young era will soon draw to a close.

Trae isn’t getting traded, and Murray will likely be traded before the draft.