2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[warcore]

4 hours ago, kg01 said:

Not one of you called S.W.A.T?  Not one?

aye man I was asleep when all this went down. Sorry for what happened to you. 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, JeffS17 said:

This is so dramatic lol…

You could also describe our FO as changing course based on the changing circumstances and new information gathered.  And Im not absolving them of blame here, but we had a pretty clear direction after the ECF then it turned out it was a bit flukey of a run, our young players mostly all hit walls (Hunter, OO, Kev), we had tons of injuries, and we couldnt afford a $60M bench anymore because of contract extensions.  Also Nate was not the answer and that became obvious when he implemented his outdated, trash, schemes.  A pivot was absolutely in order and frankly, the biggest mistake we made was not pivoting sooner.

 

The irony here being one of the only things we did that you and others here approved of was bringing in your guy, Murray, which was an overpay desperation move that served as the death knell for this iteration of the Hawks.  

 

I said what I said...and I stand by it.

And I'll also stand by what I said after they brought in Murray....it wasn't just bringing in Murray...it was what they did and didn't do after.

[BangHolman]

55 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Schlenk 'stepped down' in December 2022.

That is when Landry took over.

Schlenk 'stepped down' the moment he was overrode into the DJ overpay. He would have held firm to less picks and/or protections.

[Jody23]

 

[Afro]

20 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Landry has had control for about 18 months.  Hes only made decent to positive moves so far.  His reputation as a GM will largely be decided by the future consequences of the moves he makes this summer.

I disagree with the bold. He signed DJM to the max amount he could. That's about all we know on the decent-positive side. 

He also went a full offseason where we *needed* to compete and added 2 rookies and Wesley Matthews. 

And that's just critiquing the stuff that he was unquestionably the decision maker for. 

[LarsV8]

Just FYI, I'm sure the Rockets made a bid, not sure it would be considered a serious one.

[benhillboy]

All this fuss over Trae freaking Young.  It’s like Carmelo Knicks and Dame Blazers fanbase all over again, grasping at straws for players who “fit” this highly specialized player.  Yall know none of them are coming anyway, they don’t want to.
 

I know many of yall can’t recognize makeup traits and resist metrics that are widely cited and applied by analysts and all 30 teams, I won’t bore yall anymore with that.  But try to follow some basic stats.

 I have to make sure the board is aware he has 30/40 shooting splits in the playoffs with a barely 2:1 assist to turn ratio.  Do we realize this?  I know he bears no responsibility for those numbers, it’s Nate and roster construction and injuries and yada yada, I get it.  But do we know this is putrid?

Do we also know the NBA basically allowed light hand checking again and is trying to limit foul baiting?  Do we know that Trae will be the most affected player in the league with these amendments?  Just checking.

Do we know a player who refused to be drafted here basically ate Trae for lunch and pre-dinner snack this past season and made All NBA 3rd?  If the rumors are true (who knows) Sarr is a smart dude. 
 

Do we even follow the rest of the NBA?  Do we know what goes into a 50 win team and respectable point differential (2 things the Hawks have never come close to nor ever will with Trae?)

Last time we saw this kid he was getting dusted off by Coby f&@kin White in a play in elimination game.  The same Coby White who the heat proceeded to treat like a two-way contract player. What are we doing?

 

Edited June 21 by benhillboy

[JeffS17]

11 minutes ago, Afro said:

I disagree with the bold. He signed DJM to the max amount he could. That's about all we know on the decent-positive side. 

He also went a full offseason where we *needed* to compete and added 2 rookies and Wesley Matthews. 

And that's just critiquing the stuff that he was unquestionably the decision maker for. 

Landry understands mortgaging your future flexibility for depth at the 10-15 spots does not make sense.  Hes trying to find high end talent to build around, came close with Siakam.  The idea we needed to compete last year could not be further from the truth.  It was always a development year to see who can be successful under Quin or not.  You guys act like we needed the urgency of the retirement home Lakers last year when no such urgency existed.  It was also the last year we had our pick, another reason to not go all-in on a season we had no chance to make noise… Trae is 25 but youd think hes 35 with how impatient this board is.

[BangHolman]

34 minutes ago, Jody23 said:

Risacher or Clingan at #1.

Right now, I believe it's Risacher at #1 to be held hostage for a trade down for Clingan. I think the FO is ok holding onto Zacc if the chips don't fall right, so it's the move they'll make.

[KB21]

2 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

All this fuss over Trae freaking Young.  It’s like Carmelo Knicks and Dame Blazers fanbase all over again, grasping at straws for players who “fit” this highly specialized player.  Yall know none of them are coming anyway, they don’t want to.
 

I know many of yall can’t recognize makeup traits and resist metrics that are widely cited and applied by analysts and all 30 teams, I won’t bore yall anymore with that.  But try to follow some basic stats.

 I have to make sure the board is aware he has 30/40 shooting splits in the playoffs with a barely 2:1 assist to turn ratio.  Do we realize this?  I know he bears no responsibility for those numbers, it’s Nate and roster construction and injuries and yada yada, I get it.  But do we know this is putrid?

Do we also know the NBA basically allowed light hand checking again and is trying to limit foul baiting?  Do we know that Trae will be the most affected player in the league with these amendments?  Just checking.

Do we know a player who refused to be drafted here basically ate Trae for lunch and pre-dinner snack this past season and made All NBA 3rd?  If the rumors are true (who knows) Sarr is a smart dude. 
 

Do we even follow the rest of the NBA?  Do we know what goes into a 50 win team and respectable point differential (2 things the Hawks have never come close to nor ever will with Trae?)

 

You don't seem to realize that Trae Young is the best PG in the NBA, and it really isn't close.  There are only two shot creators in the entire league who are his equal.  Luka and Jokic.  That's it.  Atlanta will not be able to acquire another player who immediately draws two defenders the moment he crosses half court the way Trae does, nor will they create open shots for teammates at the rate Trae does.  There is a reason the offense was significantly worse without Trae.  I realize that there is this faction of foolish Trae haters because he doesn't look the way they want him to look, and those haters will ignore how elite he is as an offensive player and playmaker to fit their agenda.  

[BrazilianHawk]

1 hour ago, Afro said:

Yall know I dont like the way Luka gets treated better than everyone else....but just for a thought experiment. 

Imagine if 3 years from this moment, that the Mavs have traded everyone from this run away for parts except Luka, Kyrie, Gafford, and Green. 

The Mavs now suck. Predictably. We're barraged with "Luka cant win" "You cant build a team with Luka" "Luka isnt even all that good". 

This is exactly what we're living through and its madness. Now throw in an extra layer of "Well Luka is worth more so we should trade him and build around Kyrie(lets just assume hes not 36)" into the mix. 

Is there anyone that wants to argue all of that isnt pure insanity? 

 

ETA: This is related to @KB21, not the @JeffS17 discussion. 

 

That's fair I guess... but Trae is not Luka. Just saying. 

[KB21]

1 minute ago, BangHolman said:

Right now, I believe it's Risacher at #1 to be held hostage for a trade down for Clingan. I think the FO is ok holding onto Zacc if the chips don't fall right, so it's the move they'll make.

I think they are just going to take Clingan.  

[KB21]

Just now, BrazilianHawk said:

That's fair I guess... but Trae is not Luka. Just saying. 

He isn't Luka, but Luka's negatives are never talked about the way some do with Trae's.  Luka is an absolute shit defender, but no one likes to talk about it.  Luka has conditioning issues that no one likes to talk about either.  There is legitimately no difference in building around the two.  You have to hide both on defense.  You have to have guys who can shoot and cut around them.  

[Jody23]

5 minutes ago, BangHolman said:

Right now, I believe it's Risacher at #1 to be held hostage for a trade down for Clingan. I think the FO is ok holding onto Zacc if the chips don't fall right, so it's the move they'll make.

I see it that way also.  The threat of the Hawks taking Clingan at 1 is real, but I also think it is to get the best trade down value.  It makes sense if the Rockets have Risacher ahead of Clingan and Sheppard on their board and if Risacher is at the top of the Spurs board.

[BangHolman]

6 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I think they are just going to take Clingan.  

Either way, I think he's their guy.

[JeffS17]

8 minutes ago, benhillboy said:

 

All this fuss over Trae freaking Young.  It’s like Carmelo Knicks and Dame Blazers fanbase all over again, grasping at straws for players who “fit” this highly specialized player.  Yall know none of them are coming anyway, they don’t want to.
 

 

This is the thing Ive started to come to terms with.  Its obvious players do not like Trae nor are they itching to come play with him.  I dont know why that is but its not really that relevant.  Probably why we jumped on Murray.  To me this is probably the biggest barrier to building around him, which has been difficult to say the least.  Star level players have to want to be here.  Trae gets consistently poor survey results amongst his peers in the league.

[kg01]

Interesting a 40+-year NBA free agent desert is being pinned on Trae.  Odd 

[BangHolman]

6 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

This is the thing Ive started to come to terms with.  Its obvious players do not like Trae nor are they itching to come play with him.  I dont know why that is but its not really that relevant.  Probably why we jumped on Murray.  To me this is probably the biggest barrier to building around him, which has been difficult to say the least.  Star level players have to want to be here.  Trae gets consistently poor survey results amongst his peers in the league.

But at the same time, the Lakers want to pair him with LeBron and AD because they believe he's the missing piece to another championship. His peer reviews will go up when/if he's out of Atlanta.

[Afro]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Interesting a 40+-year NBA free agent desert is being pinned on Trae.  Odd 

And that these same star's that "hate" him are all on the teams that are rumored to want him. 

 

Weird how that works out. 

[deester11]

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Interesting a 40+-year NBA free agent desert is being pinned on Trae.  Odd 

Is it though? I heard Trae was the 2nd figure on the grassy knoll....strange goings on for sure.