2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[txsting]

If that Spurs deal is for real they are giving up a lot for those 4 spots.  That is really intriguing, perhaps even if Houston takes Clingan.  Walking away with Castle and those picks back is not too shabby.  Clingan and those picks would be a coup.

Edited Tuesday at 09:11 PM by txsting

[LucastheThird]

7 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Update:

We are down to basically two choices:

Take Sarr and get the Wizards to move up to get him. Wizards want him badly. #1 for #2 and #26 or something like that in value. We would take Clingan at #2 or take Risacher for the below scenario.

Take Risacher and either keep him or flip him to the Spurs. This would be like the old Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler trade. The Bulls back then would only do that trade if Curry was there for them at #4 in that draft. When Atlanta...sigh...passed on Gasol by flipping him for SAR the Bulls got their guy and made the trade. If the Hawks had taken Curry or traded it to someone else that took Curry...the Bulls don't do the deal.

So in this case if Clingan is there at 4 the Spurs take him and we swap guys plus pick up our 2025 and 2027 firsts. 

In that scenario we turn Risacher into Clingan and our 2025 and 2027 unprotected firsts back. Spurs still have the pick swap in 2026.

If Clingan is gone...we just keep Risacher. 

This seems to be the current thinking of the FO. Again, this can change. Teams are upping their interest in #1, DJM, Capela and Hunter. I'm hearing teams are making pitches for AJ and Kobe as well.

Houston is the swing draft choice. I wouldn't rule out a separate trade to #3 if this scenario above happens just to get Clingan and give #4 to Houston so they can take Reed.

That is a lot that SA is giving up for Risacher. But I can't lie; coming out with Clingan and some of our picks back would be ideal. 

[Hawkish]

8 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Update:

We are down to basically two choices:

Take Sarr and get the Wizards to move up to get him. Wizards want him badly. #1 for #2 and #26 or something like that in value. We would take Clingan at #2 or take Risacher for the below scenario.

Take Risacher and either keep him or flip him to the Spurs. This would be like the old Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler trade. The Bulls back then would only do that trade if Curry was there for them at #4 in that draft. When Atlanta...sigh...passed on Gasol by flipping him for SAR the Bulls got their guy and made the trade. If the Hawks had taken Curry or traded it to someone else that took Curry...the Bulls don't do the deal.

So in this case if Clingan is there at 4 the Spurs take him and we swap guys plus pick up our 2025 and 2027 firsts. 

In that scenario we turn Risacher into Clingan and our 2025 and 2027 unprotected firsts back. Spurs still have the pick swap in 2026.

If Clingan is gone...we just keep Risacher. 

This seems to be the current thinking of the FO. Again, this can change. Teams are upping their interest in #1, DJM, Capela and Hunter. I'm hearing teams are making pitches for AJ and Kobe as well.

Houston is the 

If we can come out of this draft with Clingan and our 25/27 firsts back, I’d be comfortable with that.  

[kg01]

30 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

This whole draft has been played like the Hawks have the 15th pick and not the 1st pick of the draft.

What do you mean?  I mean, other than just saying something negative about the Hawks, what do you mean by that? 

[Final_quest]

Hard to believe the Spurs offer both picks back to move up for Risacher.  

Good luck to the FO.

[Birdsfan]

1 minute ago, Final_quest said:

Hard to believe the Spurs offer both picks back to move up for Risacher.  

Good luck to the FO.

Yeah., that sure seems like a lot to offer to move from 4 to 1 in a weak draft.  Would be a coup if the FO can pull that off.

[HawkingAwesome]

Wemby and sarr would be ridiculous 

[sturt]

14 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Update:

We are down to basically two choices:

Take Sarr and get the Wizards to move up to get him. Wizards want him badly. #1 for #2 and #26 or something like that in value. We would take Clingan at #2 or take Risacher for the below scenario.

Take Risacher and either keep him or flip him to the Spurs. This would be like the old Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler trade. The Bulls back then would only do that trade if Curry was there for them at #4 in that draft. When Atlanta...sigh...passed on Gasol by flipping him for SAR the Bulls got their guy and made the trade. If the Hawks had taken Curry or traded it to someone else that took Curry...the Bulls don't do the deal.

So in this case if Clingan is there at 4 the Spurs take him and we swap guys plus pick up our 2025 and 2027 firsts. 

In that scenario we turn Risacher into Clingan and our 2025 and 2027 unprotected firsts back. Spurs still have the pick swap in 2026.

If Clingan is gone...we just keep Risacher. 

This seems to be the current thinking of the FO. Again, this can change. Teams are upping their interest in #1, DJM, Capela and Hunter. I'm hearing teams are making pitches for AJ and Kobe as well.

Houston is the swing draft choice. I wouldn't rule out a separate trade to #3 if this scenario above happens just to get Clingan and give #4 to Houston so they can take Reed.

 

Passing thought, not worth anyone's time... I've occasionally daydreamed what kind of bounty a team with a #1 could possibly come out of a draft with if they just traded down and traded down and traded down... all for future draft picks.

 

 

[kg01]

Just now, Final_quest said:

Hard to believe the Spurs offer both picks back to move up for Risacher.  

Good luck to the FO.

Yeah, I don't quite get it either.

Maybe SAS sees him as the next Josh Primo, who they also moved up to take?

Because Spurs never miss on draft picks, or so the eggsperts act like.

(sips tea real slow and loud)

[HawkingAwesome]

1 minute ago, sturt said:

 

Passing thought, not worth anyone's time... I've occasionally daydreamed what kind of bounty a team with a #1 could possibly come out of a draft with if they just traded down and traded down and traded down... all for future draft picks.

 

 

Thatd be sick to bad fo's and owners are shortsighted 

[warcore]

If they're listening to offers involving Bufkin; I hope that means we're open to taking Reed at #4 if it falls that way. 

[JeffS17]

19 minutes ago, Sothron said:

So in this case if Clingan is there at 4 the Spurs take him and we swap guys plus pick up our 2025 and 2027 firsts. 

I have a very hard time believing the San Antonio Spurs are going to give us back two unprotected firsts to move up two slots in this draft.

[Spud2nique]

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Yeah, I don't quite get it either.

Maybe SAS sees him as the next Josh Primo, who they also moved up to take?

Because Spurs never miss on draft picks, or so the eggsperts act like.

(sips tea real slow and loud)

They had another shooter I loved about 10 years ago who also has trouble with the law. Hmm what was dude name. He was a pure shooter around 6’5”.

[txsting]

9 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

Hard to believe the Spurs offer both picks back to move up for Risacher.  

Good luck to the FO.

Well they have to believe those are not lottery picks first off; the Hawks have too many assets to not be making the playoffs.  They must value the 8 pick, on the same timeline as Wemby, a bit more.  I could see that argument.  A 19th pick and a 21st pick has about the same value as an 8 pick, according to the chart.

Edited Tuesday at 09:27 PM by txsting

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

They had another shooter I loved about 10 years ago who also has trouble with the law. Hmm what was dude name. He was a pure shooter around 6’5”.

Gary Neal

[JeffS17]

Just now, txsting said:

Well they have to believe those are not lottery picks first off; the Hawks have too many assets to not be making the playoffs.  They must value the 8 pick, on the same timeline as Wemby, a bit more.  I could see that argument.  

It's more like the Spurs have to believe the talent difference between Risacher and whoever they would select at 4 (Clingan, Shephard, Buzelis, Castle?) is worth two first rounders.  Feels like absolutely unprecedented value being applied to a guy that has not stepped on an NBA court.

[txsting]

Just now, JeffS17 said:

It's more like the Spurs have to believe the talent difference between Risacher and whoever they would select at 4 (Clingan, Shephard, Buzelis, Castle?) is worth two first rounders.  Feels like absolutely unprecedented value being applied to a guy that has not stepped on an NBA court.

Yeah, that too!!  Even more so.  But according to trade charts 4 and 8 makes sense for 1.  Therefore, 4 and 19 and 21 (just making up potential slots for those Hawks picks) makes sense for 1.  

[txsting]

If we can get them to trade value according to the chart, when we believe this draft class doesn't have traditional value tiers, then we win. 

[Hawkish]

8 minutes ago, warcore said:

If they're listening to offers involving Bufkin; I hope that means we're open to taking Reed at #4 if it falls that way. 

My thought, too.

[txsting]

FWIW, the Houston Chronicle mock says that if we pick Risacher, Houston will pick Reed.  They could squeeze us and take Clingan, and then we would probably have to route one of our 1st round picks back to them to secure Clingan.  Which they should (and would) do if they want Reed.  That still nets you Clingan and one of your firsts back.  Still a great outcome in my book.

Edited Tuesday at 09:35 PM by txsting