terrell Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 37 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Nothing, that's crazy, we literally got more for Cam who was busted than we got for JC who has always been productive for us That 25.3 million trade exception might be more valuable to us than a late 1st tbh with where this team is at right now.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NekiEcko Posted June 26, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 It is crazy to read some of these comments about this trade. I know that we could get more from it and in hindsight they could have but there was a reason why they went light on it. There has to be another trade that is coming down the line where this team needs that exception or something else. But at the end of the day, dont blame Fields for doing this, right now it was product of bad contracts, the new CBA and just not having the right pieces. To John, Thank you for your service here and you always came in and did your job to the best of your ability and I know that Utah will flourish with you there. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS5 Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 This trade puts us right below the tax line. But sure, we’re going to use the exception… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted June 26, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted June 26, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 Some of yall don't get it. This was a salary dump plain and simple. The exception won't be used all up. We'll probably come out of this with a cheap Dario Saric and Alex Len combo. 3 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, KB21 said: We are better off with Bey getting the minutes at power forward than using anything of value on Rui or Kuzma. At least Bey can shoot at an above average clip. That wasnt an insider comment..Just speculation.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheFuzz Posted June 26, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 JCs an awesome dude. He'll be missed 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted June 26, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, NekiEcko said: I know that we could get more from it and in hindsight they could have but there was a reason why they went light on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted June 26, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 22 minutes ago, KB21 said: Are you talking about the MLE that was created with this deal? Both those guys will make a lot more than the MLE (criminally), so I don't think that's what he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marvin24Williams Posted June 26, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) Lol whats next? Capela for 2nd rounders and some chicken wings? Edited June 26, 2023 by Marvin24Williams 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted June 26, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 Just now, Marvin24Williams said: Lol whats next? Capela for 2nd rounders and some chicken wings? I can see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Diesel said: Some of yall don't get it. This was a salary dump plain and simple. The exception won't be used all up. We'll probably come out of this with a cheap Dario Saric and Alex Len combo. Jalen will put up better numbers than Collins next year if we go that route... He is a better rebounder and passer. 2 things we sorely lack. I don’t think JC is the last highly paid player to get traded this summer btw... So get your tissues ready... Edited June 26, 2023 by terrell 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 18 minutes ago, Diesel said: Love to. When you come off the bench, you have the luxury of playing against guys who didn't game plan for you. Normally, you are lesser known because you're coming off the bench. Moreover, you're catching starters that are tired and you're catching 2nd stringers who you may be better than. So it's EASY to look good when you come off the bench. It's hard to "keep that same energy" when you start. One place where you can see a measurable difference is "the playoffs". In a playoff series, the other team gets to do some advanced scouting. They get to game plan for all 12 players. Somebody ( @thecampster) said that JJ crushed JC this past season. However, what happened in the playoffs? The eye test was no better. But we're going to be put in a situation where we will play JJ. We're hoping he's our Draymond but he better get in the weight room. I said last 30 games. Post All-star break, under Quinn All-Star Break G Min FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% OR DR Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts JC Post-All Star 21 27:22:00 4.8 9.3 51.3 1.4 3.8 38 1.9 2.4 78 1 4.1 5.1 1.1 1 0.4 0.5 2.7 12.8 Per36 6.3 12.2 51.3 1.8 5.0 38.0 2.5 3.2 78.0 1.3 5.4 6.7 1.4 1.3 0.5 0.7 3.6 16.8 JJ Post-All Star 15 16:46 3.1 5.8 52.9 0.5 1.5 30.4 0.6 1.1 52.9 0.7 3.9 4.6 2.2 0.9 0.9 0.7 2.3 7.2 Per36 6.7 12.5 52.9 1.1 3.2 30.4 1.3 2.4 52.9 1.5 8.4 9.9 4.7 1.9 1.9 1.5 4.9 15.5 He was a better finisher, rebounder, facilitator, shot blocker, steals. Getting 2x as many assists, 3x as many steals, 4x as many blocks, 50% more rebounds.....you're doing more to turn the tide...simple as that. most games come down to a few possessions....those plays matter....being active matters. Many times those last 30 games, JC was very inactive which is why his rebounding numbers continue to fall, his block/steals numbers fall. JC creates "zero" defensive chaos. 9 minutes ago, Marvin24Williams said: Lol whats next? Capela for 2nd rounders and some chicken wings? Wait....what flavor wings? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 At worst, JC and JJ = same impact, but JJ has more impact and needs the playing time. JC = $23.9 million in salary JJ = $2.9 million in salary Same production (at least) for $21 million less. By the end of the season, all the crocodile tears will dry up. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 @kg01 Why so glum chum? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRW Posted June 26, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 I'm going to miss you John Collins. Your professionalism, honesty, and will to play any role you were given. I'll be rooting for you, except when you play us. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkish Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 I have no issue with the trade. Moving Collins was necessary to implement the next move (whatever that is). Now, the next move(s) will be informative. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecampster Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 One point of speculation nobody has mentioned (that I saw) was does this open up time for OO at the 4 and Bruno as the backup 5? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekiEcko Posted June 26, 2023 Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 minute ago, thecampster said: One point of speculation nobody has mentioned (that I saw) was does this open up time for OO at the 4 and Bruno as the backup 5? But here is the question about that, if you do something like that, would it applied that Capella will be staying here ( For me I think him and Hunter is about to go soon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted June 26, 2023 Premium Member Report Share Posted June 26, 2023 15 minutes ago, thecampster said: I said last 30 games. Post All-star break, under Quinn All-Star Break G Min FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% OR DR Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts JC Post-All Star 21 27:22:00 4.8 9.3 51.3 1.4 3.8 38 1.9 2.4 78 1 4.1 5.1 1.1 1 0.4 0.5 2.7 12.8 Per36 6.3 12.2 51.3 1.8 5.0 38.0 2.5 3.2 78.0 1.3 5.4 6.7 1.4 1.3 0.5 0.7 3.6 16.8 JJ Post-All Star 15 16:46 3.1 5.8 52.9 0.5 1.5 30.4 0.6 1.1 52.9 0.7 3.9 4.6 2.2 0.9 0.9 0.7 2.3 7.2 Per36 6.7 12.5 52.9 1.1 3.2 30.4 1.3 2.4 52.9 1.5 8.4 9.9 4.7 1.9 1.9 1.5 4.9 15.5 He was a better finisher, rebounder, facilitator, shot blocker, steals. Getting 2x as many assists, 3x as many steals, 4x as many blocks, 50% more rebounds.....you're doing more to turn the tide...simple as that. most games come down to a few possessions....those plays matter....being active matters. Many times those last 30 games, JC was very inactive which is why his rebounding numbers continue to fall, his block/steals numbers fall. JC creates "zero" defensive chaos. Wait....what flavor wings? I want you to hold on to this stats... We will revisit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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