Hawks looking to trade

[NBASupes]

16 hours ago, Diesel said:

DJ is vital to the team because of his ball handling.  We honestly don't have another PG type that we trust.  Our offense runs through Trae, DJ, and Bogi these days. 

Dre...has to show consistency.   I believe we may hold on to him because of the promise of Dre and the difficulty in finding a fair.  I amended my thoughts on Indy.  I have convinced myself that it's AJ for Jarace.   I could be wrong, but my far outsider vibes tell me that it was the discussion. 

 

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As far as Jarace, they been talking about moving him but they want OG, not Siakam. Siakam and the Hawks would make sense if all three orgs wasn't so delusional. Atlanta doesn't want to trade too damn much for Siakam. Toronto insists on players Atlanta declines to move. Add that Siakam is refusing to do a SnT, makes things tough. 

Toronto would rather keep OG but don't want to give him the max. Indy wants OG and is willing to trade Walker. I think it may go down. As for Siakam, probably not. Toronto wants too much. Sac wanted Siakam and said f it when TOR asked for Murray who SAC valued more than Siakam. SAC made it clear, Mitchell and Barnes is their best offer and TOR bitched about it. 

Based on what I am told, Toronto wants Bogi. Atlanta doesn't want to move Bogi. That's a big hangup right now. I don't see a deal. From what I am told, Atlanta still has no interest in moving Kobe and never have.  

[bird_dirt]

10 hours ago, Sothron said:

Team is having a serious discussion with Ressler about should the team try to swing for the fences for a big name to help OR soft rebuild around Trae/JJ/OO. 

I hope they go for the latter personally.

I’m curious how either scenario would look. 
What big name would they actually have an opportunity to get and at what cost? 
Or, how much tweaking around the edges is possible for the soft rebuild?

 

I’m all for trying to get a big time player here, but I’m not sold they’ll target the best player to add to this team. I’d be intrigued with bringing in KAT or AD, but I’d hate to spend a ton of capital on a Siakam.

Honestly, I don’t see any big name that might be available that could help us though. Every team and player that’s worth anything seem pretty comfortable with where they’re at.
 

So I guess I’d lean towards a safer soft rebuild with less upside assuming it won’t push us back more than a year or year and a half from competing. 
 

Just begging them to keep Trae and JJ. Everyone else is available for the right price IMO regardless of which direction they go. 

[NBASupes]

Almost forgot to mention, Atlanta has more interest in OG than Siakam. It's just that Atlanta has no competition for Siakam whereas multiple teams want OG. Indy being the biggest. 

[bird_dirt]

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

You been trying to trade Dre for years so I could care less about your opinion on him. 

As far as Jarace, they been talking about moving him but they want OG, not Siakam. Siakam and the Hawks would make sense if all three orgs wasn't so delusional. Atlanta doesn't want to trade too damn much for Siakam. Toronto insists on players Atlanta declines to move. Add that Siakam is refusing to do a SnT, makes things tough. 

Toronto would rather keep OG but don't want to give him the max. Indy wants OG and is willing to trade Walker. I think it may go down. As for Siakam, probably not. Toronto wants too much. Sac wanted Siakam and said f it when TOR asked for Murray who SAC valued more than Siakam. SAC made it clear, Mitchell and Barnes is their best offer and TOR bitched about it. 

Based on what I am told, Toronto wants Bogi. Atlanta doesn't want to move Bogi. That's a big hangup right now. I don't see a deal. From what I am told, Atlanta still has no interest in moving Kobe and never have.  

Someone must’ve left an open can of floor polish in Ujiri’s office, because that dude is high. 

[bird_dirt]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

Almost forgot to mention, Atlanta has more interest in OG than Siakam. It's just that Atlanta has no competition for Siakam whereas multiple teams want OG. Indy being the biggest. 

I’d prefer OJ, too. He’s the better player, though he doesn’t help our size issues so we’d still need to make another move for another big. 

[NBASupes]

5 minutes ago, bird_dirt said:

I’d prefer OJ, too. He’s the better player, though he doesn’t help our size issues so we’d still need to make another move for another big. 

Everyone does. No one sees either one as max players which is lessening their trade value as it will likely take that but everyone wants OG over Siakam. Siakam's trade market is dead. 

[NBASupes]

7 minutes ago, bird_dirt said:

Someone must’ve left an open can of floor polish in Ujiri’s office, because that dude is high. 

From what I was told, he just wants good values moving forward and one stud for either player. I was told, that's way too much for either player but Indy is open to it as long as it's not Turner, Mathurin, or Hali. Meaning Hield and/or Walker could be had. for OG. I was told, Indy would rather keep Hield and Walker for Siakam. The Siakam market is dead. It's Atlanta and just Atlanta and even Atlanta isn't dying to get a deal done. 

[bird_dirt]

25 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Everyone does. No one sees either one as max players which is lessening their trade value as it will likely take that but everyone wants OG over Siakam. Siakam's trade market is dead. 

A DJM for OGA swap would be a good starting point. That would actually help our backcourt out and TOR would still receive a good player in return signed on a friendlier deal than what OG wants. 

[AHF]

The idea of a “soft rebuild / one year tank” is scary.  We own our pick this year and then we don’t own it for the next 3 years.  If we “miss” on sticking the landing on that soft rebuild we could spend the next 3 years feeding lottery picks to the Spurs.  That would be an abject disaster.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 hour ago, bird_dirt said:

I’m curious how either scenario would look. 
What big name would they actually have an opportunity to get and at what cost? 
Or, how much tweaking around the edges is possible for the soft rebuild?

 

I’m all for trying to get a big time player here, but I’m not sold they’ll target the best player to add to this team. I’d be intrigued with bringing in KAT or AD, but I’d hate to spend a ton of capital on a Siakam.

Honestly, I don’t see any big name that might be available that could help us though. Every team and player that’s worth anything seem pretty comfortable with where they’re at.
 

So I guess I’d lean towards a safer soft rebuild with less upside assuming it won’t push us back more than a year or year and a half from competing. 
 

Just begging them to keep Trae and JJ. Everyone else is available for the right price IMO regardless of which direction they go. 

 

Siakam is the guy that helps us.

We're a losing team right now that is relying on basically a 2nd year player that doesn't even have 20 starts under his belt, to save us.  What is this "so-called" capital that we don't want to give up?

If we don't make the playoffs, this team is getting blown up anyway.

Get Siakam . . see if he pans out.  If he does, consider re-signing him.  He won't get the max, but he'll get paid hansomely.

If he doesn't work out, the rebuild starts in the summer anyway.

 

Right now, we're going in the wrong direction as a franchise.  Landry must pull the trigger in early January, if this thing hasn't turned around.

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by TheNorthCydeRises

[TheNorthCydeRises]

I want a Trae - DJ - Siakam - JJ quartet to throw at people.

Everyone else is expendable.

[JeffS17]

Feels inevitable Murray will need to be moved in just about any trade that makes us better.  But I wont be surprised at all if we dont do anything before this trade deadline.

[bird_dirt]

31 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Siakam is the guy that helps us.

We're a losing team right now that is relying on basically a 2nd year player that doesn't even have 20 starts under his belt, to save us.  What is this "so-called" capital that we don't want to give up?

If we don't make the playoffs, this team is getting blown up anyway.

Get Siakam . . see if he pans out.  If he does, consider re-signing him.  He won't get the max, but he'll get paid hansomely.

If he doesn't work out, the rebuild starts in the summer anyway.

 

Right now, we're going in the wrong direction as a franchise.  Landry must pull the trigger in early January, if this thing hasn't turned around.

 

The capital I don’t want to lose for nothing (which is what it would be if we trade for siakam and he walks this summer) would be any draft picks, JJ, DJM, or any other player with any value. 
The danger of trading assets for Siakam and it not working is being left with a bare cupboard and nothing to use to rebuild with. 

[Spud2nique]

2 hours ago, bird_dirt said:

I’d prefer OJ, too.

 

 

He out!!!

[Spud2nique]

1 hour ago, bird_dirt said:

A DJM for OGA swap would be a good starting point

Ya

44 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Siakam is the guy that helps us.

Why not both- @JayBirdHawk

Do we have the capital? 

MONSTER DEAL:

In: Siakam OG

Out: DJ Capela/Hunter

Is this possible? With salary fillers and whatnot?

 

Trae/(another deal?)Forrest

Bogi/AJ

OG/Bey

Siak/JJ

OO/Bruno

 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

Feels inevitable Murray will need to be moved in just about any trade that makes us better.  But I wont be surprised at all if we dont do anything before this trade deadline.

 

Murray is not the major issue with this team.  The last thing we should do is take away a skillful player out of the backcourt, especially as versatile as DJ. There are tons of backcourts around the NBA that aren't good defensively.  I can maybe name about 5 of them.  Trae and DJ are arguably a top 5 offensive backcourt.  Definitely a top 10 backcourt overall.

If given the choice between DJ and Bogi, you have to move Bogi, if not for anything, due to his age.

The issue is our frontcourt.  That's where the talent is lacking.

OO is a nice player, but something big time is missing from him.  He plays too much with finesse, and not with aggression.  It's the same thing lacking from 12, but OO's impact on games is greater.  But we all though he could supplant Capela in the starting lineup.  That has not been the case.

 

If we don't trade for frontcourt talent, Quin's only shot at this is to play bigger frontlines that can reduce some of our defensive deficiencies.  If Trae, DJ, and Bogi can't keep their man in front of them, at least have one more big in the paint that can challenge the shot.  We had that in JJ, but we need more of it.

I think the issue with this team is that overall, we lack athleticism.  Capela nor OO are eye popping athletes.  JJ is definitely one.  DJ is a nice athlete, but doesn't use it a lot.  Guys like Trae, Bogi, Bey use skill more than athleticism.  When you play small, you need those small guys to be athletic.

Edited December 24, 2023 by TheNorthCydeRises

[NBASupes]

2 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Siakam is the guy that helps us.

We're a losing team right now that is relying on basically a 2nd year player that doesn't even have 20 starts under his belt, to save us.  What is this "so-called" capital that we don't want to give up?

If we don't make the playoffs, this team is getting blown up anyway.

Get Siakam . . see if he pans out.  If he does, consider re-signing him.  He won't get the max, but he'll get paid hansomely.

If he doesn't work out, the rebuild starts in the summer anyway.

 

Right now, we're going in the wrong direction as a franchise.  Landry must pull the trigger in early January, if this thing hasn't turned around.

 

He wants the max. You can never be sure he won't get the max when teams go idiot mode in FA

[TheNorthCydeRises]

36 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

Murray is not the major issue with this team.  The last thing we should do is take away a skillful player out of the backcourt, especially as versatile as DJ. There are tons of backcourts around the NBA that aren't good defensively.  I can maybe name about 5 of them.  Trae and DJ are arguably a top 5 offensive backcourt.  Definitely a top 10 backcourt overall.

 

 

That should've read only about 5 backcourts are good defensively.

 

[NBASupes]

1 hour ago, JeffS17 said:

Feels inevitable Murray will need to be moved in just about any trade that makes us better.  But I wont be surprised at all if we dont do anything before this trade deadline.

Teams are calling but Atlanta isn't interested unless it's a bigger deal.

Don't be shocked if Toronto and Atlanta do a deal with Murray if OG and Siakam goes to Atlanta but OG market might be a tad better as they want a young stud for OG. Atlanta been in heavy talks with Toronto, especially of late. I don't see how Atlanta can afford it. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

He wants the max. You can never be sure he won't get the max when teams go idiot mode in FA

 

I wanted to hit the $11,000 jackpot at the casino last night, that the lady 2 games down from me won.  But that don't make it happen.

If Siakam comes here, and balls out, he may in fact deserve the max.

If he doesn't, then hopefully we make use of the cap space that may emerge from his departure.

 

Either way, I think we can all agree that if the Hawks don't make the playoffs AND possibly get out of Round 1, that this team may get blown up.

If we stand pat, we're hoping that Jalen Johnson and Okongwu really develop into high level talents on the frontline.

Too much hope, and not enough action.