KB21 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 7 minutes ago, Mikey said: Data says sarr is better offensively than you give him credit for Yep, and there is significant equity in his ability to shoot, and there is also some equity with him as a shot creator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthCydeRises Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, NBASupes said: The difference between me and KB is I back my shit up and if I can't like Dre Hunter against @TheNorthCydeRises and say I see the game how I see the game and if you can't see the game like I do, we just aren't gonna be on the same page. Because @TheNorthCydeRises will bring the data and when it's Dre, it's usually not good. Yeah. Dre's defensive data usually is not good. I've never seen a so-called good defender like Dre have so many negative defensive metrics. He's a solid on ball defender but not a defensive difference maker. And that's what we need on this team. A defensive difference maker. KB says that putting Dre at the 2 is a bad idea because he doesn't defend guards well. cIf that's the case, why do we covet him like he's so critical to the team. Just find some other dude to replace him. But yes, I agree Supes. Dre's defensive data is bad. Offensively, he had a solid year. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 (edited) 5 minutes ago, KB21 said: Sarr will be a great rebounder in the NBA. Okongwu is a good rebounder. Johnson is a good rebounder. I'm not concerned in the least that we won't have to just camp someone down on the block to get rebounds. I give you JJ. He's a good reb for his position.. But OO is an avg reb at best imo.. Ive seen other teams get Offensvive reb galore when he's out there.. No clue about Sarr... But I haven't seen anyone brag about his rebounding potential.. Edited May 21 by terrell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 1 minute ago, TheNorthCydeRises said: Yeah. Dre's defensive data usually is not good. I've never seen a so-called good defender like Dre have so many negative defensive metrics. He's a solid on ball defender but not a defensive difference maker. And that's what we need on this team. A defensive difference maker. KB says that putting Dre at the 2 is a bad idea because he doesn't defend guards well. cIf that's the case, why do we covet him like he's so critical to the team. Just find some other dude to replace him. But yes, I agree Supes. Dre's defensive data is bad. Offensively, he had a solid year. He does an above average job of defending big wings. However, he's very much below average when it comes to defending fours and twos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 1 minute ago, terrell said: I give you JJ. But OO is an avg reb at best imo.. Ive seen other teams get Offensvive reb galore when he's out there.. That's usually because when OO is out there, he is asked to do more defensively than just hang out at the rim. His defensive responsibilities take him out of ideal rebounding position at times. Same thing with Sarr this year with Perth. He had immense defensive responsibilities, and a lot of the time, that took him out of rebounding position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 10 minutes ago, NBASupes said: This is fine for a big wing, this is bad for a 4. This is awful for a 5. When you look at his charts and watch his film, he really shines just think of him as a big wing. Obviously the offense is way too raw but the defense and the offensive potential is there And offensively he is a big wing lol. You guys are so fixated on placing a label on him as a big wing vs a 4 vs a 5. Offensively and defensively his skill sets are for different archetypes. And unlike JC it’s the skill set you want 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 He has a big wing skill level, which is what you want out of a center in the modern NBA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 Almost identical player to Alex Sarr. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deester11 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 10 minutes ago, KB21 said: Almost identical player to Alex Sarr. I've seen that comp from more than a few people. (Analysts..talking heads) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcore Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, marco102 said: Can't even enjoy any other discussion without this bullshit. this place kinda sucks these days 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deester11 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 57 minutes ago, Mikey said: My expectations for him a far lower than yours especially offensively. You just think he can’t do anything. Defensively you say we need something but but the team and Quin have literally showed you otherwise. We don’t need a drop defender when that’s not our base defense. We need someone that can play at the level, switch, and play drop. A mix of the three and if you watch the games he’s improved his drop. He’s even talked about it being a point of emphasis to get better and coaches worked with him to do so cause he was closing to the guard too high. These are words directly from the player and his coaches. saying he can’t space is just a flat out lie and the most infuriating thing you say. His percentages are low but he clearly has the indicators that he can be a good shooter and the threat of shooting is far more important than actually shooting. Myles turner is the poster boy for stretch 5 and he’s had multiple nba seasons shooting 33% from 3. Nobody says he’s a bad shooter. Why because we know he CAN shoot. The threat is more important than the make/miss aspect. Our spacing immediately improves day 1 with him in for Clint. Mavs fans all beginning of szn complained about lively screening. And again this is one of the easiest things to teach especially as he fills his frame out. Gobert credited Quin himself but I’m sure he can’t teach Sarr cause he’s soft or something right? if you can’t see how a player that can space the floor and offers scheme versatility defensively while not even scratching the surface as an offensive player yet compliments Trae idk what to tell you. But you already made your mind up long ago edey was the hawks savior and now when we moved up and won’t even touch him (weren’t going to anyways) you’re coping You brought it with this post. Combined, conceptualized, contexted and wrapped up. Kudos Mikey. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 20 minutes ago, Mikey said: And offensively he is a big wing lol. You guys are so fixated on placing a label on him as a big wing vs a 4 vs a 5. Offensively and defensively his skill sets are for different archetypes. And unlike JC it’s the skill set you want Actually, he's a big wing period. JC offense was fine. It was his defense that was the issue. If you could combine JC offense with Sarr defense. He would unquestionably be the #1 prospect and i would run up to the podium for Landry and Adam to make the pick. If Sarr was offensively JC and Sarr on D. I would have never wanted JC traded ever but then again, no one would trade JC if he was Sarr on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 1 hour ago, marco102 said: I think this is all Trae wants. We all want this, BUT This is not a good team as constructed..... We're not a 19 year old away from doing anything remarkable either....... Without multiple moves, this team will be fighting for another playin spot next season IMO......................... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deester11 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 (edited) 6 minutes ago, terrell said: We all want this, BUT This is not a good team as constructed..... We're not a 19 year old away from doing anything remarkable either....... Without multiple moves, this team will be fighting for another playin spot next season IMO......................... That's the point with this draft. On its own merit it doesn't matter who you draft if you don't get the other pieces. You need vision. I ain't confident the FO is capable. Yet. If ever. Edited May 21 by deester11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 2 minutes ago, deester11 said: That's the point with this draft. On its own merit or doesn't matter who you draft if you don't get the other pieces. You need vision. I ain't confident the FO is capable. Yet. If ever. I have confidence in the basketball staff. I don't have confidence that Ressler will let them do their job. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deester11 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 (edited) As for Supes..come on in out the cold. Get you a hot plate. You welcome at the table...ha 1 minute ago, KB21 said: I have confidence in the basketball staff. I don't have confidence that Ressler will let them do their job. Yep. This. Edited May 21 by deester11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 (edited) 9 minutes ago, deester11 said: That's the point with this draft. On its own merit or doesn't matter who you draft if you don't get the other pieces. You need vision. I ain't confident the FO is capable. Yet. If ever. With Trae remaining we not only have to make “multiple moves” but we need to WIN each and every one of them, not salary dump, and be willing to pay the tax to contend within the next 2 years................... A rebuild that stalls at year 4 and gets worse at 5 and substantially worse at year 6, isn’t being saved by a 19 year old player in a bad draft, even if he shows promise. It takes time to equate to winning basketball at this level, and Trae contract-wise and personally-wise isn’t on Sarr’s long-view schedule. A lot of tough decisions for the F.O. going forward IMO.. Edited May 21 by terrell 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_dirt Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 4 hours ago, Mikey said: Risacher is not Jaden mcdaniels on defense. Far from it, good defender but not great. On offense he is a one trick pony. Catch and shoot threes that’s it. Good off ball mover but all he can do on offense is shoot. His handle is not good and he creates zero looks with the ball in his hands, for himself or others. Even in his best game the other day he had zero assists and 5 turnovers. Plus just like Sarr he needs to fill out his frame. Slender as heck at the moment. So as much as you guys complain about sarr guarding bigs, Risacher isn’t guarding any big wings right now either. Tatum would bully him Two words: French Vanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_dirt Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 3 hours ago, KB21 said: Damn! This guy moves better than Zach Edey on the floor! Wow! Yeah, but what’s his vertical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 21 Moderators Report Share Posted May 21 50 minutes ago, terrell said: We all want this, BUT This is not a good team as constructed..... We're not a 19 year old away from doing anything remarkable either....... Without multiple moves, this team will be fighting for another playin spot next season IMO......................... This is why moving one of Trae or DJM is essential and the most important move for the team as far as impact on the 2024-25 team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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