2024 Hawks Offseason Thread: What's Next? 2024-25 Season Outlook.

[deester11]

1 hour ago, Final_quest said:

This is the game everyone talks about, but he never followed up this performance to any significant degree.  I actually believe Luka was learning that he can't show up to a season and play his way into shape. 

It's like the one game where Okongwu won a few matchups with Giannis.  Neither Hunter or Okongwu are as good as those highlights suggest.  

I'm having to agree with @Final_quest and it feels...right. Lmao   Hunter is that blind squirrel dude. I'll leave it at that 

[NBASupes]

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[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

I am not seeing what you see Jay. I have the Hawks at an illegal 7.1+ million with only 1 spot remaining. 

Assuming you trade Nance and Capela for Ayton. The outcome is 534k removed from Atlanta. That's still 7 million with two spots remaining. 

Vit is a min salary guy on a 24-25 4th year salary. That's like 2.4 mil. That still leaves Atlanta with 4.6 million for the 15th man if they even use it at all. 

I am not seeing what you see Jay. I have the Hawks at an illegal 7.1+ million with only 1 spot remaining. 

Assuming you trade Nance and Capela for Ayton. The outcome is 534k removed from Atlanta. That's still 7 million with two spots remaining. 

Vit is a min salary guy on a 24-25 4th year salary. That's like 2.4 mil. That still leaves Atlanta with 4.6 million for the 15th man if they even use it at all. 

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[Gray Mule]

De`Andre Hunter is 26 years old and 6'8" which means he's just now reaching his maturity.  How many head coaches has he already had while spending all his pro life as an Atlanta Hawk?

I know that some people rate him from where he was drafted.  Fine.  Do this.  It has nothing to do with how good or how bad he plays.  But he was the #4 pick!  So what?  This neither helps nor hurts.

Let's trade him for that great player!  If he's that bad, why would they even want to trade with us?  

I like Hunter.  Why?  #1 because he's a Hawk!  Remember, when you are down on his defense, how much help has he had?  Our beloved Atlanta Hawks haven't been known for great defense.  This is about to change.  Too many young defensive specialists on the current roster for it not to happen.  I don't believe that he's great.  I just think he's good.

 

[AtLaS]

The more I read about him, Daniels is going to be a beast for us.  It really says a lot that our FO wanted him as opposed to Ingram and I'm so glad they did.

NO was super deep at G/F with Jones/Ingram/Murphy/CJ/Zion ahead of him.  NO didn't have much shooting around Daniels, and no PG to set anyone up.

The guy is a MENACE on D.  He is likely an all-nba defender with 30 mpg.  He was only 20 years old so he was behind those other proven guys.  He has one of the best floaters in the game, is a good finisher and can legitimately run PG, and is a good passer.  His shooting form is pretty damn good, I'm optimistic he can improve his 3pt% by 4 points and get to 35%, especially playing with a PG like Trae.  

I think we are all going to love this dude and this will be looked at as a steal. 

[kg01]

5 minutes ago, AtLaS said:

The more I read about him, Daniels is going to be a beast for us.  It really says a lot that our FO wanted him as opposed to Ingram and I'm so glad they did.

NO was super deep at G/F with Jones/Ingram/Murphy/CJ/Zion ahead of him.  NO didn't have much shooting around Daniels, and no PG to set anyone up.

I'm expecting folks to be wondering why Daniels didn't play over some of these.

Dude was a top-8 pick for a reason. 

[Final_quest]

22 minutes ago, AtLaS said:

The more I read about him, Daniels is going to be a beast for us.  It really says a lot that our FO wanted him as opposed to Ingram and I'm so glad they did.

NO was super deep at G/F with Jones/Ingram/Murphy/CJ/Zion ahead of him.  NO didn't have much shooting around Daniels, and no PG to set anyone up.

The guy is a MENACE on D.  He is likely an all-nba defender with 30 mpg.  He was only 20 years old so he was behind those other proven guys.  He has one of the best floaters in the game, is a good finisher and can legitimately run PG, and is a good passer.  His shooting form is pretty damn good, I'm optimistic he can improve his 3pt% by 4 points and get to 35%, especially playing with a PG like Trae.  

I think we are all going to love this dude and this will be looked at as a steal. 

We’ve never had a guy like this. Adding him with Kobe, Vit, and Risacher to give us a lot of options at POA defense.  
 

Last year it was all Murray, Bogi, Bey, and Garrison.  We got cooked every night.

[JayBirdHawk]

32 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I'm expecting folks to be wondering why Daniels didn't play over some of these.

Dude was a top-8 pick for a reason. 

He got the Nate treatment from Willie Green

[Spud2nique]

41 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I'm expecting folks to be wondering why Daniels didn't play over some of these.

Dude was a top-8 pick for a reason. 

I already mentioned Daniels was your boy. The way he plays also reminds me a bit of your other boy Terrance Ferguson who was solid, not sure what happened to him.

[Spud2nique]

11 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

He got the Nate treatment from Willie Green

I got that treatment on squawk from kg one day, felt like a month 

[kg01]

36 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

We’ve never had a guy like this. Adding him with Kobe, Vit, and Risacher to give us a lot of options at POA defense.  
 

Last year it was all Murray, Bogi, Bey, and Garrison.  We got cooked every night.

FQ in his bagg today, folks. 

I just listened to Braad's podcast discussing the trade.  His guest, Tyler Jones(?), was adamant that Dyson was a big time answer to our POA woes. 

13 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I got that treatment on squawk from kg one day, felt like a month 

That potato salad you brought to the last cul de sac luncheon gave me the runs.  I retaliated in super passive aggressive fashion by shunning you on the squawk. 

[AHF]

48 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

He got the Nate treatment from Willie Green

I have to push back some on this. Daniels had a consistent 18 mpg as a rookie and 22 mpg last year.  He also had better and/or more established vets in front of him with Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Brandon Ingram and CJ McCollum.  
 

JJ had lesser talent ahead of him and never got consistent minutes under Nate.  Give NO’s wing talent, I’m not sure how much more than 22 mpg you could have really expected for Dyson given the holes in his offensive game.  
 

Daniels got to play a consistent role and excel in that space.  That is exactly what a lot of us wanted to see for JJ.  Bear in mind that as a sophomore the most mpg JJ averaged in any month under Quin was 20.5 mpg.  That is less than DD averaged for the full season and I think most of us were applauding Quin for giving JJ that run.

(For context, DD played over 1000 minutes as a rookie even though he had medical issues that kept him out for part of the season while Bufkin played less than 200.). I think he got good developmental opportunities in NO and am glad he has that experience coming into this year.

[JayBirdHawk]

6 minutes ago, AHF said:

I have to push back some on this. Daniels had a consistent 18 mpg as a rookie and 22 mpg last year

Just repeating what some NOP fans said, particularly in the playoffs. Playing CJ McCullum for his offense and contract when they needed more defense.

[AHF]

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

Just repeating what some NOP fans said, particularly in the playoffs. Playing CJ McCullum for his offense and contract when they needed more defense.

I don’t think benching DD in the playoffs because he doesn’t have much of a perimeter game is comparable to what Nate did with JJ.  If they are making the comparison to Nate, they don’t understand what Nate did with JJ.

[deester11]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

I don’t think benching DD in the playoffs because he doesn’t have much of a perimeter game is comparable to what Nate did with JJ.  If they are making the comparison to Nate, they don’t understand what Nate did with JJ.

Oh...we damn well remember .. and also:

 

[Atlantaholic]

3 hours ago, AtLaS said:

The more I read about him, Daniels is going to be a beast for us.  It really says a lot that our FO wanted him as opposed to Ingram and I'm so glad they did.

NO was super deep at G/F with Jones/Ingram/Murphy/CJ/Zion ahead of him.  NO didn't have much shooting around Daniels, and no PG to set anyone up.

The guy is a MENACE on D.  He is likely an all-nba defender with 30 mpg.  He was only 20 years old so he was behind those other proven guys.  He has one of the best floaters in the game, is a good finisher and can legitimately run PG, and is a good passer.  His shooting form is pretty damn good, I'm optimistic he can improve his 3pt% by 4 points and get to 35%, especially playing with a PG like Trae.  

I think we are all going to love this dude and this will be looked at as a steal. 

Same front office that mortgaged three drafts for Murray....just sayin,not gonna get super hyped about their judgement.

[909]

6 hours ago, Gray Mule said:

De`Andre Hunter is 26 years old and 6'8" which means he's just now reaching his maturity.  How many head coaches has he already had while spending all his pro life as an Atlanta Hawk?

I know that some people rate him from where he was drafted.  Fine.  Do this.  It has nothing to do with how good or how bad he plays.  But he was the #4 pick!  So what?  This neither helps nor hurts.

Let's trade him for that great player!  If he's that bad, why would they even want to trade with us?  

I like Hunter.  Why?  #1 because he's a Hawk!  Remember, when you are down on his defense, how much help has he had?  Our beloved Atlanta Hawks haven't been known for great defense.  This is about to change.  Too many young defensive specialists on the current roster for it not to happen.  I don't believe that he's great.  I just think he's good.

 

I kind a like Hunters game (other than rebounding). Maybe with Murray gone he will get more touches. Pairing him with Daniel’s could provide some defensive flexibility.

[AHF]

39 minutes ago, Atlantaholic said:

Same front office that mortgaged three drafts for Murray....just sayin,not gonna get super hyped about their judgement.

Daniels’ floor is a useful defensive role player.  He has upside beyond that.  Trying to look on the bright side with that because he and the Lakers pick are the big values from the trade.  

[Sothron]

2 hours ago, Atlantaholic said:

Same front office that mortgaged three drafts for Murray....just sayin,not gonna get super hyped about their judgement.

The Murray trade was nick ressler idea and his big push. You can't put that on Landry. 

[JeffS17]

35 minutes ago, Sothron said:

The Murray trade was nick ressler idea and his big push. You can't put that on Landry. 

As [what feels like] the sole Landry supporter here, this is good to hear.  As a Hawks fan, this is not great.  By the way, did you guys notice he was quietly removed from director of basketball ops?  Nick's latest title (as of ~August) is "Principal Advisor to the Governor".  The governor, of course, being his dad, Tony.  What a bizarre role to be operating in, or even having a façade of operating in.

What does it even mean? Is he reporting back fan sentiment? Is he sniffing around the player lockers to gather intel? Is he making recommendations on drought beers to carry? Is he just the house snitch??