Donovan Clingan or Alexander Sarr: Battle of 1st overall pick

[macdaddy]

2 minutes ago, Packfill said:

I think if Evan Mobley was in this draft (and I am am talking Evan Mobley the prospect coming out of USC) he would be the clear cut number 1 pick and it would not be particularly close - and that is not to say Mobley was a generational talent like Wemby, just that he would be the easy best prospect in this draft.  

That's a little depressing to me.  And I really like Mobley but when i dreamed of the Hawks getting a #1 it wasn't to pick someone like that.  That's why i'm high on Risacher without having any real knowledge or insight into either guy.   

Of the all the top picks for the last few years none of the best picks were bigs unless they had elite offensive skills like Paolo.  A lot of the misses were bigs like Wiseman, Bagley, Ayton, 

There is Chet.  If Sarr can be Chet+ then sign me up i guess.

I'm just asking not making a case for anyone because i don't know.  I'm just ready for us to have a dynamic scorer at the 3,4 or 5. 

[JTB]

3 hours ago, JeffS17 said:

If you get Risacher playing good defense, he has elite role player skills.  That shot is incredible, tough to teach that release and impossible to teach that height.  I would not be upset if we drafted him.

JS

This is ok if we move back in the draft to get our center.

1 hour ago, macdaddy said:

Yeah I"m starting to go Risacher.  I hate taking big men in the top 3.  Horford was a great pick but he was great at everything except posting up and that went the way of the dodo bird. 

At #1 i want someone that can be an elite scorer.   We need an elite scorer at SF and we need one with great size.   

If the likely ceilings of these guys is Mikal Bridges vs. Evan Mobley then i'm going with Bridges all day.  

I don’t know if Risacher is what I’d consider an elite scorer! He has an elite jump shot already and that’s amazing! The way he can shoot it off balance shows how much he’s worked on his shooting skills. No question that shot will transfer over to the nba but just being a flat out go to scorer ???…yeah I don’t know about that. His handles are avg at best …he sides more on the off ball elite scorer than he does on ball and perhaps that’s the issue I’m seeing when we say “elite scorer”….hes the type that can be dog offensively playing next to Trae no doubt but how much defensive impact can he truly have???

if we do take him at number 1 I will admit that Risacher seems to be more of a Quinn guy than Sarr. But we can’t just take him and be done just like we can’t just take Sarr and be done.

Sarr is hard to pass up on for an elite shooter with avg defense though.

[AHF]

I don't know which guy will be better between Risacher and Sarr.  Up to Fields and co. to get that right.  From the limited tape I've watched from them, Sarr strikes me as the higher upside guy but also the guy who has farther to go to reach his ceiling.  Either way, once they put on that Hawks jersey I'll be rooting for them regardless of who my personal favorite it.  So I'm not going to be bitter at the player at all.  Trae wasn't the guy on the top of my board but I've rooted hard for him every since he was drafted just like all our other Hawks!

[KB21]

2 hours ago, macdaddy said:

That's a little depressing to me.  And I really like Mobley but when i dreamed of the Hawks getting a #1 it wasn't to pick someone like that.  That's why i'm high on Risacher without having any real knowledge or insight into either guy.   

Of the all the top picks for the last few years none of the best picks were bigs unless they had elite offensive skills like Paolo.  A lot of the misses were bigs like Wiseman, Bagley, Ayton, 

There is Chet.  If Sarr can be Chet+ then sign me up i guess.

I'm just asking not making a case for anyone because i don't know.  I'm just ready for us to have a dynamic scorer at the 3,4 or 5. 

I think Evan Mobley is a great #1 overall pick outcome.  The guy finished third in DPOY voting during his second season and was arguably one of the best defenders in the NBA this year.  He finally started coming alive in the playoffs, particularly with Allen out for a big part of them.  The Allen/Mobley pairing is a terrible fitting pairing.  

[macdaddy]

52 minutes ago, KB21 said:

I think Evan Mobley is a great #1 overall pick outcome.  The guy finished third in DPOY voting during his second season and was arguably one of the best defenders in the NBA this year.  He finally started coming alive in the playoffs, particularly with Allen out for a big part of them.  The Allen/Mobley pairing is a terrible fitting pairing.  

Yeah.  I guess i'm unrealistic but even though he played well and i get he's a key player for the Cavs i can't see him being more than the 3rd best player on a contender.  I just want more from #1 overall.  But i'm greedy. 

[Jody23]

 

[JustSomeGuy]

I like them both. My only question is whether he can play defense well enough to play the 3. 

[JustSomeGuy]

50 minutes ago, Jody23 said:

 

I’m interested to see how much his game will grow as he gets stronger. Non explosive wings make me nervous but my comp for him is Peja Stojakovic. 

[Jody23]

Watching more of Sarr, how he handles physicality will be something to watch.  He doesn't seem to seek that out.

[KB21]

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/upside-swings-nba-draft-podcast/id1561566975?i=1000655346484
 

This is a fantastic podcast!   This is the most detailed I’ve heard or seen anyone discuss Clingan (and Edey).  
 

Im completely out on Clingan.  It’s Sarr and Risacher for me, and Sarr has a significant lead.  

[Dexmethylphenidate]

Captain obvious says if he's that good to be #1 pick why can't he start on that team. Compared to Luka who I believe was the MVP of his league 

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[terrell]

2 hours ago, Jody23 said:

Watching more of Sarr, how he handles physicality will be something to watch.  He doesn't seem to seek that out.

He'd fit right in here then... 

[JTB]

2 hours ago, Jody23 said:

Watching more of Sarr, how he handles physicality will be something to watch.  He doesn't seem to seek that out.

Exactly why we have to address the center issue no matter if we draft Sarr or not because he lacks physicality at this stage of his early career.

He can play the 5 vs other mobile 5s like Lively in my opinion but he’s going to get tossed around like a rag doll vs almost any center who’s just bigger in size even if they lack skills such as Zubiac.

its smart to draft Sarr, it’s not smart to draft him and expect him to man down the 5 …immediately.

[KB21]

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/upside-swings-nba-draft-podcast/id1561566975?i=1000651456478
 

Alex Sarr, Nikola Topic, and Zaccharie Risacher breakdowns.  

[KB21]

8 minutes ago, JTB said:

Exactly why we have to address the center issue no matter if we draft Sarr or not because he lacks physicality at this stage of his early career.

He can play the 5 vs other mobile 5s like Lively in my opinion but he’s going to get tossed around like a rag doll vs almost any center who’s just bigger in size even if they lack skills such as Zubiac.

its smart to draft Sarr, it’s not smart to draft him and expect him to man down the 5 …immediately.

It’s not smart to think any drafted rookie can man any position immediately.  

[AtLaS]

2 hours ago, Jody23 said:

Watching more of Sarr, how he handles physicality will be something to watch.  He doesn't seem to seek that out.

He was 18 years old.  Playing against 25-30 year olds.  Wait until he adds 25 pounds.  He was listed at 216 lbs at Perth last year, and he weighed in at 224 at the combine.  He's put on 8 lbs in less than a year.  In 2 years this dude will be 240+.  By all accounts the dude is a gym rat and wants it, with the natural talent he has there is no ceiling here.

[KB21]

13 minutes ago, AtLaS said:

He was 18 years old.  Playing against 25-30 year olds.  Wait until he adds 25 pounds.  He was listed at 216 lbs at Perth last year, and he weighed in at 224 at the combine.  He's put on 8 lbs in less than a year.  In 2 years this dude will be 240+.  By all accounts the dude is a gym rat and wants it, with the natural talent he has there is no ceiling here.

The perception of his physicality would be different if he had played this past season in college as opposed to the NBL.  

[JTB]

1 hour ago, KB21 said:

It’s not smart to think any drafted rookie can man any position immediately.  

In certain roles a rookie can hold down a position. It’s all in what you ask of them.

once we draft sarr, Synder and his staff should be telling him his primary focus this season will be defense. Not to say don’t work on the offensive skills (let’s not be silly)…but we don’t need to scheme around sarrs offense right now.

defensively sarr can help us immediately. This is no different than lively for the mavs or Chet for okc…or mobleys rookie season for the Cavs,

[Spud2nique]

Nobody should be scouting anyone but Sarr! If you are you’re probably wasting your time. There I said it, I’m a little scared I said it.

 

Can the Hawks go to the podium like right now and announce it? 
 

The more I scout dude the more I can’t believe he’s 7’1”. That’s crazy.