marco102 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 2 minutes ago, Afro said: Laziness, a lack of interest in team goals, and everything of that ilk is bad in the locker room. All of that is a detriment to success and doesn't work all that well unless you've got a freaking Lebron on the team lol. So no one's reported that he's been bad in the lockerroom. I don't think anyone said he was lazy. They just said his off the court habits needed to be improved from the reporting I read. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afro Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Just now, marco102 said: Ok, since you are going down the worst possible route. What if Ayton maximizes his potential with Trae? Is he worth it? I'm looking at this roster and we need a little more offense. Pick and Roll bigs who can get their own shot without Trae force feeding them lobs opens up a lot for this team as a whole. If you lose Capella, you need another good rebounder an Ayton is a good rebounder. His screening will open up things for Bogi and any other shooters we have. It's not just Trae, it's a complimenting this roster that we have. It's better than running it back with Capela. He fits Trae's timeline and does many of the things Capela does and on offense he's much better. That's a win if you ask me. Yes. The difference is though y'all are projecting an Ayton that we've never really seen. I'm talking about an Ayton that is the same player he has been for 6 years. Read my post immediately before this one and my comment on opportunity cost. If y'all wanna use the justification that he is the only option, than sure. All I will say is......good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShayD Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Isn't Ayton the opposite of Hawks DNA though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post marco102 Posted July 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 1 minute ago, Afro said: Yes. The difference is though y'all are projecting an Ayton that we've never really seen. I'm talking about an Ayton that is the same player he has been for 6 years. Read my post immediately before this one and my comment on opportunity cost. If y'all wanna use the justification that he is the only option, than sure. All I will say is......good luck. The opprtunity cost is giving up Capela who is on an expiring. What other center out there can we replace Capela with is as good as Ayton? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 5 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 5 3 minutes ago, Afro said: Yeah, this is the problem. It's last call, we're desperate. The only option is a girl with a shady past and history of broken relationships, and we're sitting here saying "well shit, itll be different for us". This seems to be our lot in life....settling for leftovers and putting on ...but we should be ok with it. I'm tired man! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RedDawg#8 Posted July 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 12 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Wouldn't Cam Reddish want what Ayton getting which would be the green light and being feed by Trae. Cam was mad because we wanted him to be a role player and he wanted to be Cam McGrady Agreed. Wings who want/need the ball are never going to fit with Trae as much as any big would. It’s also night and day watching Ant or Jaylen Brown run high pick and roll compared to Trae/Luka. PG’s love their bigs and vice versa. Wings are not wired the same way. As much as Ayton would thrive with Trae, realize Trae has never played with a big as skilled as Ayton before. This could unlock Trae once he sees he doesn’t have to spoon feed the big right at the rim anymore. Playing off of a big in the mid post is a whole new level of offensive strategy that we have never had before. Im not saying Ayton is Joker or AD, but just the mere presence of a post threat means you can run actions off of his touches now. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final_quest Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 13 minutes ago, NBASupes said: It doesn't have to move you, look at our current options. This is the most likely scenario. If they go with Ayton, it’s the best of the remaining options. They only have Capela and Hunter to make a deal work. Ayton was the third best player on a Finals team. Trae is about the best player in the league to get the most out of him. We’re making a compromise any way this goes down. Returning a declining Capela or Ayton. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NBASupes Posted July 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 It's just fit. That's all. I really love the fit with Trae Daniels Risacher JJ But Capela is just too defensive with this crew. Way too much defense and OO just lacks too much bulk and size period with JJ at the 4 as a starter. As a backup, no biggie but starting 5s are way better than backup 5s in the NBA. Ayton just fits a lot better. Like I said before, I would want 2nd half Ayton massively over 1st half Ayton, same for CC. He was horrible in the 1st half of the season and was CC like in the 2nd half. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 @kg01 if you ever make it out to Cali, I’d like to take you camping , ahhhhh the great outdoors.. we would have a blast ! No rules! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NBASupes Posted July 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 (edited) 1 minute ago, Final_quest said: If they go with Ayton, it’s the best of the remaining options. They only have Capela and Hunter to make a deal work. Ayton was the third best player on a Finals team. Trae is about the best player in the league to get the most out of him. We’re making a compromise any way this goes down. Returning a declining Capela or Ayton. Hunter is not gonna be moved, it will be Nance Jr. Atlanta needs Hunter. Atlanta doesn't need Nance Jr. Nance Jr is more valuable to the trade market than Hunter due to his good contract Edited July 5 by NBASupes 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 8 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: HOT OFF THE PRESS!!! Atlanta is definitely another team that I’ve heard for Ayton. There’s one person I talked to pretty consistently who’s like convinced Ayton is the guy that Atlanta wants. Top Rumors, Free Agency, DeAndre Ayton, Atlanta Hawks, Spud you are in timeout 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marco102 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Just now, JayBirdHawk said: This seems to be our lot in life....settling for leftovers and putting on ...but we should be ok with it. I'm tired man! They've had interest in Ayton for years so I don't think that's how management sees it. Maybe he's been their target all along since the only way to improve this team was never through free agency. It's through trades or using the trade exception. I don't get the we didn't do anything in free agency. Who could we sign that will give us a big impact? The move was always going to be with trades. I said all that, but I truly understand your frustration. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragitoff Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 5 minutes ago, NBASupes said: It's just fit. That's all. I really love the fit with Trae Daniels Risacher JJ But Capela is just too defensive with this crew. Way too much defense and OO just lacks too much bulk and size period with JJ at the 4 as a starter. As a backup, no biggie but starting 5s are way better than backup 5s in the NBA. Ayton just fits a lot better. Like I said before, I would want 2nd half Ayton massively over 1st half Ayton, same for CC. He was horrible in the 1st half of the season and was CC like in the 2nd half. I'm with you. Ayton has red flags, but also the most talented and best fitting (both age and skills) we can get. He's got the size to rebound and play defense as well as setting screens. He's got a decent mid-range shot so he's not a total lane clog. That helps make up for DD's lack of consistent shooting, although I'm hoping that part of his game improves with better looks. One reason a center like Capela was so necessary was our complete lack of POA defense in YEARS!!!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afro Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 2 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Hunter is not gonna be moved, it will be Nance Jr. Atlanta needs Hunter. Atlanta doesn't need Nance Jr. Sorry JJ, you're gonna be seeing Thibs like levels at the PF spot this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hylndr11 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 (edited) 12 minutes ago, marco102 said: Ok, since you are going down the worst possible route. What if Ayton maximizes his potential with Trae? Is he worth it? I'm looking at this roster and we need a little more offense. Pick and Roll bigs who can get their own shot without Trae force feeding them lobs opens up a lot for this team as a whole. If you lose Capella, you need another good rebounder an Ayton is a good rebounder. His screening will open up things for Bogi and any other shooters we have. It's not just Trae, it's a complimenting this roster that we have. It's better than running it back with Capela. He fits Trae's timeline and does many of the things Capela does and on offense he's much better. That's a win if you ask me. Thing is aytom doesn't get his own shit, he's.not a creator or playmaker, this is the big debate in Portland whether to build around him or not and you have a fanbase on 2 completely different ends of the spectrum, ayton has.tons of skill but he hast really improved enough, he still can't dribble, his ceiling is being the third best guy becaue he can be taken away easily enough. There's actually a big thread on NBA reddit focused just on him and you get lots of objective info on him there. https://www.reddit.com/r/nbadiscussion/s/iCXhinmz1q Edited July 5 by hylndr11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Just now, Afro said: Sorry JJ, you're gonna be seeing Thibs like levels at the PF spot this year. Liddell and Gueye are likely to be JJ backups as well as OO playing spot mins at the 4 with Dre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spud2nique Posted July 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 7 minutes ago, marco102 said: He fits Trae's timeline This! The 1st and 5th players taken in the 2018 draft. This might resurrect Ayton’s career. I mean, when he came onto the scene he was supposed to be Shaq-lite ish, Trae can unlock that I believe. I haven’t heard any specific locker room disruptions or anything but I recall him and Monty feuding during that finals run. He needs a coach like Quin also to really keep him focused and locked in. Ya this is a good gamble for us. I was not nor am I the biggest Ayton fan in the world but the fit seems flawless. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 5 minutes ago, theheroatl said: Spud you are in timeout 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 6 minutes ago, theheroatl said: Spud you are in timeout Fine I’ll just LIKE everything @marco102 gotta say for a while now! We riding the same wave today. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RedDawg#8 Posted July 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 2 minutes ago, Final_quest said: We’re making a compromise any way this goes down. Returning a declining Capela or Ayton. I hate getting to in to these dialogues before anything is official but this is the part where it all makes sense. Taking a chance on improving versus remaining status quo. We have seen our maximum output with a peek Capela at center. We extended him and tried to recapture it to no avail. That dynamic is still a positive one but it is trending in the wrong direction. Ayton fits the timeline of the remaining pieces on the roster. There’s a risk but if we aren’t contending in the near future, we are losing Trae and blowing this thing up anyways. We have to take a swing eventually. And of the flawed players we have been faced with (Ingram vs Ayton) Ayton in the better fit with Trae and the roster as a whole. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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