Afro Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Final_quest said: Not sure a team’s PR and FO has the capacity to inflate or deflate a player’s value to the extent you are imagining. Homie, I'm not imagining anything lol. Where have you been for the past 5 years? His perception and reputation are in the dumps. Largely because of narratives that have just been allowed to fester this entire time. Edited July 5 by Afro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted July 5 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 9 minutes ago, NBASupes said: They aren't lying. Trae market is just dead. Teams think he's making way too much for what he is right now. Same for Ayton. Same for Dre 8 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: Lies. 29 teams want Trae they are just lying that they don’t but that’s ok we aren’t trading him anyways. 7 minutes ago, kg01 said: It's an obfuscation of the truth, at best. Putting Trae on a list with Ayton and Hunter isn't fully accurate. 9 minutes ago, marco102 said: This is just the big markets postering. Trae probably wasn't really on the market. The Lakers never had the assets to acquire him. The Hawks were never trading Trae to the Spurs unless they were doing a complete rebuild get all their picks back plus a young player from the Spurs. If Trae was truely available there would be plenty of teams lined up to take him. Let's be clear about what's missing from that tweet: it's about the COST TO ACQUIRE HIM and those teams unwillingness to meet the price. The Lakers, too, have shown little recent interest in Young, sources said. That could change if the price drops to L.A.’s liking. On the SAS side: The smoothest way to reclaim those picks is trading Young to the Spurs, but San Antonio has not shown much recent interest in that, sources said. The Spurs understand the potential value of those picks, and they (for now) appear to favor holding them hostage over swapping them back to Atlanta 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theheroatl Posted July 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 (edited) 14 minutes ago, NBASupes said: They aren't lying. Trae market is just dead. Teams think he's making way too much for what he is right now. Same for Ayton. Same for Dre lol what wth is wrong with you people Edited July 5 by theheroatl 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 16 minutes ago, NBASupes said: They aren't lying. Trae market is just dead. Teams think he's making way too much for what he is right now. Same for Ayton. Same for Dre Fans are in denial I see.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kg01 Posted July 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Let's be clear about what's missing from that tweet: it's about the COST TO ACQUIRE HIM and those teams unwillingness to meet the price. The Lakers, too, have shown little recent interest in Young, sources said. That could change if the price drops to L.A.’s liking. On the SAS side: The smoothest way to reclaim those picks is trading Young to the Spurs, but San Antonio has not shown much recent interest in that, sources said. The Spurs understand the potential value of those picks, and they (for now) appear to favor holding them hostage over swapping them back to Atlanta See reports like these rely on folks not filling in the missing information. If a team has a player valued higher than the price a team is willing or able to pay, that is being spun here as "Tray won't be traded .. therefore he has no trade value". That is ... say it with me ... an obfuscation of the truth. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hylndr11 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, marco102 said: When I say Ayton can get his own shot. I'm not saying create his own shot. If you just get the ball to him in his spots he can get his shot. I'm not sure if that makes sense. Essentially he's not Capela where the only thing he can do is dunk lobs. Agree on that but that is why so much divisive stance on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NBASupes Posted July 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 15 minutes ago, theheroatl said: lol what wth is wrong with you people Bro mad at me like i control the GMs of this league 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 2 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Bro mad at me like i control the GMs of this league Nobody's got time to be "mad" at you. He's just questioning what you said, which wasn't fully explained. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 5 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 5 5 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Bro mad at me like i control the GMs of this league Your honesty crushes some fan's world view 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealist Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 20 minutes ago, theheroatl said: lol what wth is wrong with you people 520th in the league in defensive rating last year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 11 minutes ago, kg01 said: See reports like these rely on folks not filling in the missing information. If a team has a player valued higher than the price a team is willing or able to pay, that is being spun here as "Tray won't be traded .. therefore he has no trade value". That is ... say it with me ... an obfuscation of the truth. Trade value is within reason. For Hunter, even with the ideal contract, he's not getting you must in return. Ayton would get you more but not that much. We just saw with Murray, having the ideal contract will get you a good value in return 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theheroatl Posted July 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 1 minute ago, kg01 said: Nobody's got time to be "mad" at you. He's just questioning what you said, which wasn't fully explained. Those stats were for everyone in general.. teams, supes, everyone... It's plain as day... The market for Trae is not there because teams know they can't afford them. I got a headline for you guys JAYSON TATUM'S MARKET DRIED UP - LAKERS AND SAS WON'T BE TRADING FOR HIM - BOSTON IS ASKING TOO MUCH FOR HIM 1 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTB Posted July 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 5 Ayton is a better fit here than Derozan or Ingram that’s for sure. i saw someone state that “Ayton still can’t dribble” …tell me why a guy who just need to be feed the ball to drop buckets need dribbling ability??? Plus he plays center. Y’all are worried about the man’s contract and I get it but let me say this…when players are in the right system their value shows a lot more. Simple as that!…Trae force feed CC and he avg 16 - 17 points by getting perfect passes right at the rim. Can you imagine what Ayton is going to do next to Trae if the FO wise up ?….we been saying the same ish for years! Trae needs length and height around him. A point of attack defender right next to him AND he doesn’t need a on ball scoring perimeter buddy, he needs a big man scorer who can drop buckets at will! if the hawks front office gets Ayton then they get a A+ this offseason in my book. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Just now, therealist said: 520th in the league in defensive rating last year Tell me you don't know team basketball without telling me you don't know team basketball. Let me know after you study a bit how you feel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealist Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Just now, theheroatl said: Tell me you don't know team basketball without telling me you don't know team basketball. Let me know after you study a bit how you feel my point is you can point to any random number to support a narrative. ain't no way in hell you're going to argue for his defensive 'contributions' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 7 minutes ago, NBASupes said: Trade value is within reason. For Hunter, even with the ideal contract, he's not getting you must in return. Ayton would get you more but not that much. We just saw with Murray, having the ideal contract will get you a good value in return Everybody here ... well, most everybody here knows all this. But, when you suggest Trae, Ayton, and Hunter all have the same problem from a trade standpoint, that's not entirely true. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 15 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: Your honesty crushes some fan's world view Ive been saying for years Trae value isnt what fans think it is around the league.. If this was SGA, Luka, etc teams would be knocking down our doors with offers regardless of salary.. Just sayin.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted July 5 Author Moderators Report Share Posted July 5 2 hours ago, Afro said: I still can't get passed the fact that a month ago we were all saying "this is the most important offseason ever. We have to fix this roster and improve the vibes." and a month later the biggest right now addition might be....Ayton. Those things don't match well lol. For my perspective on Ayton, I'm not sure he would be a bigger addition than Dyson. Definitely bigger name and salary but I'm not sure he would add more value. Probably the Lakers pick is the top value asset of the offseason if this is it (as far as trade value). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 6 minutes ago, kg01 said: Everybody here ... well, most everybody here knows all this. But, when you suggest Trae, Ayton, and Hunter all have the same problem from a trade standpoint, that's not entirely true. It is the same problem. They are more 10 mil or more per year than the market considers them at the moment. Trae and Ayton in particular. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShayD Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 (edited) 20 minutes ago, therealist said: 520th in the league in defensive rating last year Dejounte Murray was 531th defensive rating. Is he better than Trae? Edited July 5 by ShayD 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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