2024-25 Insider Thread

[JayBirdHawk]

6 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

Franz Wagner?  That kind of loot?

Scottie Barnes, Cade Cunningham, Tyrese Maxey all have signed similar deals.  It will be interesting to see if Evan Mobley gets one too.

[terrell]

31 minutes ago, ABH said:

He won't spend, even tho he says he will..cheap !!!!!

Here are the teams that paid the luxury tax:

 

BOS

DEN

GSW

LAC

LAL

MIA

MIL

PHX

 

https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/nba-2023-24-luxury-tax-tracker/

 

Most of those teams underperformed. A. There is no star available for the Hawks to trade for with the available assets and go into the tax. B. If somehow a star did become available, the most likely outcome is that the Hawks would be one of the teams that paid the tax but still underperformed. GSW paid almost $177 million in tax and still missed the playoffs. Paying the tax is not synonymous with becoming a successful NBA team.

[Hawkmoor]

5 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Scottie Barnes, Cade Cunningham, Tyrese Maxey all have signed similar deals.  It will be interesting to see if Evan Mobley gets one too.

So Ant Man, Joker, Embiid, etc. Them guys getting a billion dollars on their next deal?  lmao

 

Edited July 5 by Hawkmoor

[JayBirdHawk]

3 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

So Ant Man, Joker, Embiied, etc. Them guys getting a billion dollars on their next deal?  lmao

Forget them, what does it mean for JJ. This is a side by side comparison of last season.

 

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=wagnefr01&p1yrfrom=2024&p1yrto=2024&player_id2=johnsja05&p2yrfrom=2024&p2yrto=2024

[Hawkmoor]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Forget them, what does it mean for JJ. This is a side by side comparison of last season.

 

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=wagnefr01&p1yrfrom=2024&p1yrto=2024&player_id2=johnsja05&p2yrfrom=2024&p2yrto=2024

Not bad for Jalen.  What it means is he got drafted by the wrong team because Ressler ain't about to do THAT.  

[Spud2nique]

24 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Bucks open to trading Brook Lopez?

Gary Woelfel: Sources claim the Bucks are still very receptive to trading veteran Brook Lopez, but the Bucks’ asking price of a first-round draft pick for a 36-year-old center with a $23M contract is too rich. – via Twitter GeryWoelfel

@kg01 your target  

[AtLaS]

1 hour ago, Afro said:

I was told that NBA media knew wtf they were talking about, but this is definitely par for the course lol. 

I still want Ayton on this team.  Our offense would be so good.  Sure he has flaws just like every other player in the NBA.  But we wouldnt have to give up a lot for him. Many championships are built by acquiring undervalued players in bad situations.  The dude was a major contributor on a finals team.  

[Packfill]

9 minutes ago, Hawkmoor said:

So Ant Man, Joker, Embiid, etc. Them guys getting a billion dollars on their next deal?  lmao

 

Barring a career shortening injury Ant is likely to make a billion just in salary over the course of his career.  He won't be the first either.  Tatum is likely to be the first to sign contracts totalling $1B+.

Crazy but true. 

Just remember, the owners are making a lot more.   

[ABH]

17 minutes ago, terrell said:

Here are the teams that paid the luxury tax:

 

BOS

DEN

GSW

LAC

LAL

MIA

MIL

PHX

 

https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/nba-2023-24-luxury-tax-tracker/

 

Most of those teams underperformed. A. There is no star available for the Hawks to trade for with the available assets and go into the tax. B. If somehow a star did become available, the most likely outcome is that the Hawks would be one of the teams that paid the tax but still underperformed. GSW paid almost $177 million in tax and still missed the playoffs. Paying the tax is not synonymous with becoming a successful NBA team.

 thats true but I'm sure they make more in sales..like gsw,lakers

Edited July 5 by ABH

[Hawkmoor]

2 minutes ago, Packfill said:

Barring a career shortening injury Ant is likely to make a billion just in salary over the course of his career.  He won't be the first either.  Tatum is likely to be the first to sign contracts totalling $1B+.

Crazy but true. 

Just remember, the owners are making a lot more.   

Heck, Jaylen Brown almost there.

[terrell]

3 minutes ago, ABH said:

No that true but I'm sure they make more in sales..like gsw,lakers

In the Hawks case, paying the tax for a star player doesn’t guarantee you anything given the youth on the rest of the roster.

IMO, the Hawks need to see which of these young guys can play first, settle on their offensive/defensive identity, and then make their move in to the tax.

Edited July 5 by terrell

[JayBirdHawk]

3 minutes ago, Packfill said:

Barring a career shortening injury Ant is likely to make a billion just in salary over the course of his career.  He won't be the first either.  Tatum is likely to be the first to sign contracts totalling $1B+.

Crazy but true. 

Just remember, the owners are making a lot more.   

Ant already has a 5yr/$260 extension  from.last year.

[JeffS17]

43 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

Trae has 2 full years left on his deal, when has that been considered a rental.

A 35% veteran max extension comes with the caveat of making Allstar and/or All NBA, so if he qualifies it means it would be well deserved. No?

If not he falls in the 7-9 years of service range for a 30% max or 140% raise to his existing contract (similar to what DJ got)

No team is going to trade for an all-star level player as a rental with no intention of that player being a part of their core.  The price would be high so trading for two years of Trae Young makes no sense.  Making all-NBA does not change who he is as a player and some of his poignant limitations, it just increases the cost of him to the team. 

And it's a media award and generally players agencies will market hard to get them on the team for these extensions.  You'll notice as borderline all-NBA guys sign extensions with caveats on the contract being a supermax if they make all-NBA, they suddenly make all-NBA.  It happens routinely and actually hamstrings teams' cap situations.  Because they only need to make it the season prior to the extension, there tends to be massive pushes for those players in those years.  It's actually a really perverse system.  For reference, off the top of my head: Ben Simmons, Ja Morant, Trae Young, and Haliburton all recently made all-NBA for their first and only time, conveniently right when it mattered for their contracts.

All that said, teams have to weigh whether or not they're going to be willing to pay that extra 5% now, before trading for the player.  Imagine the type of heat you guys would give Landry if he traded away a bunch of picks and young players for a borderline all-star player and then let that player walk 2 years later because he was unwilling to pay the 35% max.  You have to be willing to pay that before trading for Trae Young

 

[kg01]

10 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

@kg01 your target  

Don't we have a fake-1st for 'em?  Get it done, Laundry!

 

[Sothron]

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Reporting for 'The Outsiders'........read/heard a little snippet that one of the reasons Trae left Klutch was because they were trying to stear him to LAL. He wasn't interested.

This is true 

[JayBirdHawk]

12 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

No team is going to trade for an all-star level player as a rental with no intention of that player being a part of their core........

All that said, teams have to weigh whether or not they're going to be willing to pay that extra 5% now, before trading for the player.  Imagine the type of heat you guys would give Landry if he traded away a bunch of picks and young players for a borderline all-star player and then let that player walk 2 years later because he was unwilling to pay the 35% max.  You have to be willing to pay that before trading for Trae Young

 

Usually 'rental' is used for 1 year contracts, that was my initial point.

It's an assumption based on the 35% though. Things change quickly.

We traded for DJ with 2 years left and extended him, and now traded him. (At the time everyone thought DJ would hit FAcy and want the 30% max since FVV got $40 mil.)

Cavs traded for Mitchell with 2 years left and didn't know if he'd stick around. He did and signed an extension for 3 years. Not  the 35% max.

 

[phoostal]

2 minutes ago, Sothron said:

This is true 

Is the trade with NO in danger since Sac is possibly getting Derozan? Or will it just go back to a 2 team trade?

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, phoostal said:

Is the trade with NO in danger since Sac is possibly getting Derozan? Or will it just go back to a 2 team trade?

I think NOP still needs a 3rd team to get them under the tax.

[phoostal]

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

I think NOP still needs a 3rd team to get them under the tax.

Maybe it becomes Portland as the third team. 

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, phoostal said:

Maybe it becomes Portland as the third team. 

Or another, read about Wiz taking Jonas in a SnT but not sure how it helps NOP as I haven't delved into it.