Popular Post RedDawg#8 Posted July 6 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 6 Let’s not KAT/Siakam this Ayton thing all offseason. No need to anchor down and divide along party lines for a guy still on another team. We just spent months arguing about Edey, Clingan and Sarr, just to end up with Risacher. We spent a year thinking we were flipping DJ for another top 50 player and walked away with picks and a prospect. We end up more butthurt when things don’t go to our expectations than if we just let them play out first. The news today should just focus on the DJ trade and what the final official deal looks like. It may not include anything extra. Let’s let that be the icing on the cake if it does. We will soon know our options after that goes through. If it stays quiet well after 12pm then we know they are working on something more. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud2nique Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 52 minutes ago, kg01 said: It's heavy. This burden I have of being right all the time. Come here real quick I wanna show you something.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 Ayton as PNR roll man: 1.06 PPP (41st percentile) Okongwu as PNR roll man: 1.37 PPP (84th percentile) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted July 6 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, KB21 said: If the Hawks trade for Ayton, I don’t want them to say anything about Hawks DNA any longer. Because Ayton does not have Hawks DNA. It’s why Ayton to the Hawks doesn't pass the sniff test. Same with Ingram, which some here pushed for, which we now have widespread confirmation will not happen as there is no Hawks interest. The desperation to bring in a named commodity for better or worse feels a lot like the offseason we brought Murray in, which other than Supes and maybe a couple others, was widely praised. Making no additional moves is better than a move in the wrong direction (i.e Ayton) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 6 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6 7 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said: Let’s not KAT/Siakam this Ayton thing all offseason. No need to anchor down and divide along party lines for a guy still on another team. We just spent months arguing about Edey, Clingan and Sarr, just to end up with Risacher. We spent a year thinking we were flipping DJ for another top 50 player and walked away with picks and a prospect. We end up more butthurt when things don’t go to our expectations than if we just let them play out first. The news today should just focus on the DJ trade and what the final official deal looks like. It may not include anything extra. Let’s let that be the icing on the cake if it does. We will soon know our options after that goes through. If it stays quiet well after 12pm then we know they are working on something more. But where's the fun in that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Uuus Posted July 6 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, KB21 said: Ayton as PNR roll man: 1.06 PPP (41st percentile) Okongwu as PNR roll man: 1.37 PPP (84th percentile) The Trae Young effect 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: It’s why Ayton to the Hawks doesn't pass the sniff test. Same with Ingram, which some here pushed for, which we now have widespread confirmation will not happen as there is no Hawks interest. The desperation to bring in a named commodity for better or worse feels a lot like the offseason we brought Murray in, which other than Supes and maybe a couple others, was widely praised. Making no additional moves is better than a move in the wrong direction (i.e Ayton) Some just really want to put a below average defensive big with Trae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kg01 Posted July 6 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 6 13 minutes ago, Spud2nique said: And now you just stop by to give us numbers against him. The Heat boards are recruiting folks, slide down. We don’t need you part timers. You either rode or didn’t and you didn’t. You think we could get a 1st if we put hillbilly on the block. Heatsquawk would overpay for him. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post REHawksFan Posted July 6 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: The desperation to bring in a named commodity for better or worse feels a lot like the offseason we brought Murray in, which other than Supes and maybe a couple others, was widely praised. Making no additional moves is better than a move in the wrong direction (i.e Ayton) I'm admittedly on the fence on Ayton. There's things I like and things I don't like. I think he's overpaid and I don't like the inconsistency. But I also think he could work really well with Trae. From a general board commentary standpoint, there's probably too many folks who have really strong opinions and aren't willing to be open minded when they don't really know if Ayton would be good or not. Hell, in your own post you equate Ayton to a "move in the wrong direction" while simultaneously citing Supes as being the only poster on the board to understand that Murray wasn't a fit 2 years ago - which is interesting because Supes is on record as saying Ayton would be a great fit with Trae. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Final_quest Posted July 6 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, Uuus said: The Trae Young effect Alex Len was a top 10 lob threat with Trae. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post REHawksFan Posted July 6 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, Final_quest said: Alex Len was a top 10 lob threat with Trae. Trae made Damian Jones look like an actual NBA player. 6 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, REHawksFan said: I'm admittedly on the fence on Ayton. There's things I like and things I don't like. I think he's overpaid and I don't like the inconsistency. But I also think he could work really well with Trae. From a general board commentary standpoint, there's probably too many folks who have really strong opinions and aren't willing to be open minded when they don't really know if Ayton would be good or not. Hell, in your own post you equate Ayton to a "move in the wrong direction" while simultaneously citing Supes as being the only poster on the board to understand that Murray wasn't a fit 2 years ago - which is interesting because Supes is on record as saying Ayton would be a great fit with Trae. Banking on Trae Young to make Ayton better isn’t a good move. Yes, Trae makes any big better. The opportunity cost here is prohibitive. You will be paying a big who isn’t any good without Trae $35 plus million per season, and by trading for him, you continue to stunt Okongwu’s growth. Okongwu is not only the better player, but he’s a better fit with the direction this team clearly wants to go in with all the positional versatility around Trae. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dalamchops Posted July 6 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 6 17 minutes ago, KB21 said: Ayton as PNR roll man: 1.06 PPP (41st percentile) Okongwu as PNR roll man: 1.37 PPP (84th percentile) should look at ayton's numbers when he had chris paul 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REHawksFan Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 Just now, KB21 said: Banking on Trae Young to make Ayton better isn’t a good move. Yes, Trae makes any big better. The opportunity cost here is prohibitive. You will be paying a big who isn’t any good without Trae $35 plus million per season, and by trading for him, you continue to stunt Okongwu’s growth. Okongwu is not only the better player, but he’s a better fit with the direction this team clearly wants to go in with all the positional versatility around Trae. And you are hitting on some of the reasons that I would not be in favor of an Ayton trade. Like I said, I'm on the fence. I still think Ayton is uber talented and Trae has an innate ability to unlock bigs like few others. So unlocking a highly talented center could exponentially improve the Hawks. But Ayton's inconsistency is problematic because if he doesn't give good effort or is up and down all season, he's just an overpaid guy. So yeah, on the fence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted July 6 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6 6 minutes ago, Final_quest said: Alex Len was a top 10 lob threat with Trae. This feels like a really good argument to spend more on the wings then, no? Why tie up $35M in a center if Trae is going to make cheap centers very effective anyways. To me, this is an argument for Okongwu starting more than anything. And get a cheap defensive big as a backup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 6 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6 13 minutes ago, REHawksFan said: I'm admittedly on the fence on Ayton. There's things I like and things I don't like. I think he's overpaid and I don't like the inconsistency. But I also think he could work really well with Trae. From a general board commentary standpoint, there's probably too many folks who have really strong opinions and aren't willing to be open minded when they don't really know if Ayton would be good or not. Hell, in your own post you equate Ayton to a "move in the wrong direction" while simultaneously citing Supes as being the only poster on the board to understand that Murray wasn't a fit 2 years ago - which is interesting because Supes is on record as saying Ayton would be a great fit with Trae. Same. There are plusses and minuses - the question becomes which one outweighs the other and most importantly does it improve or upgrade from CC. I do know that Trae has out paced/out grown Capela - the pairing is stuck in neutral and it's time for an upgrade. That's why all of last season, I kept begging to see what we had in OO has a full time starter, but alas he didn't unseat CC as the starter, he couldn't unseat him in minutes played, heck I would have been satisfied if he unseated him as the closer of games. It's a Quin question that looms large. Something has got to give. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megaloxali Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 32 minutes ago, NBASupes said: They want a 1st for him. He's just massively overpriced. I would do SAC 1st and Cap in a heartbeat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted July 6 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 6 11 minutes ago, REHawksFan said: I'm admittedly on the fence on Ayton. There's things I like and things I don't like. I think he's overpaid and I don't like the inconsistency. But I also think he could work really well with Trae. From a general board commentary standpoint, there's probably too many folks who have really strong opinions and aren't willing to be open minded when they don't really know if Ayton would be good or not. Hell, in your own post you equate Ayton to a "move in the wrong direction" while simultaneously citing Supes as being the only poster on the board to understand that Murray wasn't a fit 2 years ago - which is interesting because Supes is on record as saying Ayton would be a great fit with Trae. My point was most of us were at a minimum, cautiously excited— I was not implying Supes is the authority on moves we should make or not. A lot of us agree on some stuff and not other stuff and we’re all right some and wrong some. Ayton just feels like, to me, a very high risk move in an offseason that is going to have a lot of shakeup already. Id rather see how we do over the next year before making a move like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 I think some need to first realize that Ayton was never this all world talent that he was built up to being during the pre draft process. Even in college, he was a below average rim protector with a hot and cold motor. He was also very prone to drifting towards the perimeter on offense where he has never been good. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 6 Report Share Posted July 6 (edited) What are we going to talk about when this day passes and nothing material changes? Lol time to focus on the summer league thread Edited July 6 by theheroatl 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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