ATLHawks3 Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 Kings pick is coming over in ‘25. Probably gonna be in the late teens or early twenties. I’d try my best to trade that pick with Capela to find potential upgrades. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted July 7 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted July 7 Just now, Sothron said: that did actually happen but...yes, your cynical take is appropriate when it comes to Tony Ressler. ....why does this ALWAYS happen to us? I know I'll sound like a broken record, but we have ZERO bargaining power in any negotiations when it's ALWAYS about salary cutting. What are we doing? What's the 'WINNING' move? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member SalvorMallow Posted July 7 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 7 Just now, theheroatl said: 10000% Then they clearly should’ve kept the protection off. Allowing them that is ridiculous. Why? That's like being mad if your employer dropped a provision that stipulated Jeb Bush getting elected president this year means you get double salary. It's like yeah sure that could happen, but nothing worth being upset about. I even understand being upset that we couldn't get them to throw in a 2nd rounder after having to absorb Zeller. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post warcore Posted July 7 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 7 56 minutes ago, Mikey said: Capela and Bruno should be the next two dominoes to fall. Heard up to 5 teams have talked to the Hawks about Capela and if a deal happens soon what happens to Bruno and or Zeller should soon follow I'd much rather keep Bruno than Zellmyrs 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted July 7 Author Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted July 7 1 minute ago, SalvorMallow said: Really? There is a lot to criticize Landry for, but top 4 protection on this pick is not one of them. Tony literally has a better chance of hitting the powerball than both the Bucks and the Pelicans being in the top 4. This is why you DONT GIVE THAT UP. It should cost you nothing to keep it and is insulting to ask of you. Talk about a sign of a weak negotiator. I was hoping we might get the “worst of” removed since we were going to be taking bad salary to make the trade work. Instead and we take the bad salary and make the pick worse. What a train wreck. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ShooterSays Posted July 7 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 7 12 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: Now we’re ridiculing Landry because a worst of milwaukee and NO pick is top 4 protected? As in they both win the top 4 lottery?? This changes nothing!!! Lighten up friends If it’s just no big deal and changes nothing, why did it have to get added then? I agree it’s a small detail, but it’s clearly not in our favor. And don’t forget the Hawks gave up the best player in this trade, not the other way around. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcore Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 51 minutes ago, BangHolman said: For real, how the hell do we end up with protections on that pick after doing them the favor of paying Zeller for a season. Exactly. Taking that on should have allowed us to just choose one of the other and let them fall where they may. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterSays Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 (edited) Edit: double post, delete Edited July 7 by ShooterSays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SalvorMallow said: Why? That's like being mad if your employer dropped a provision that stipulated Jeb Bush getting elected president this year means you get double salary. It's like yeah sure that could happen, but nothing worth being upset about. I even understand being upset that we couldn't get them to throw in a 2nd rounder after having to absorb Zeller. Pelicans didn’t give up any meat of their picks by protecting top 4. They just used assets and didn’t put any skin in the game. DJM is at his peak on an incredible contract. Dyson and the Lakers pick is great but it’s ridiculous for them to protect their own swap pick… kicker here… FOR THE WORSE OF BOTH PICKS Edited July 7 by theheroatl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 7 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 7 4 minutes ago, theheroatl said: That’s the real sad part for those that understand the financial aspect and the mechanics (their ability to get FA commitments beyond this trade). Sometimes I wish I didn't...it's made me more cynical and skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member SalvorMallow Posted July 7 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 7 Just now, AHF said: This is why you DONT GIVE THAT UP. It should cost you nothing to keep it and is insulting to ask of you. Talk about a sign of a weak negotiator. I was hoping we might get the “worst of” removed since we were going to be taking bad salary to make the trade work. Instead and we take the bad salary and make the pick worse. What a train wreck. So you aren't worried about the actual results, it's the optics? I care about Landry putting more talent on the court, not finding platitudinal add-ons to trades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post JayBirdHawk Posted July 7 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted July 7 5 minutes ago, SalvorMallow said: Really? There is a lot to criticize Landry for, but top 4 protection on this pick is not one of them. Tony literally has a better chance of hitting the powerball than both the Bucks and the Pelicans being in the top 4. We had a 3% chance at the #1 pick. It matters. And it's the perception of a lost negotiation. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 (edited) 1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said: Sometimes I wish I didn't...it's made me more cynical and skeptical. 1000% I see it the same way (accounting cpa background) I see the numbers and abilities they have to do things. But choose to not do it. lest I remind everyone of The Steve Koonin quote… Edited July 7 by theheroatl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SalvorMallow said: So you aren't worried about the actual results, it's the optics? I care about Landry putting more talent on the court, not finding platitudinal add-ons to trades. It all matters. From the smallest waiver to the biggest blockbuster. Edited July 7 by theheroatl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member SalvorMallow Posted July 7 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 7 Just now, JayBirdHawk said: We had a 3% chance at the #1 pick. It matters. And it's the perception of a lost negotiation. Big difference between 3% and .00000003%. There was never going to be a scenario where that pick would convey in the top 4. Not even worth thinking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted July 7 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 7 1 minute ago, SalvorMallow said: Big difference between 3% and .00000003%. There was never going to be a scenario where that pick would convey in the top 4. Not even worth thinking about. Zion is out injured again, NOP loses in playin, they move from 10 to 1 in the draft. The Dame pairing is disastrous and Giannis asks out. I'll just leave this here. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted July 7 Author Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted July 7 2 minutes ago, SalvorMallow said: So you aren't worried about the actual results, it's the optics? I care about Landry putting more talent on the court, not finding platitudinal add-ons to trades. I wish I negotiated against you guys at the table. It isn’t just about optics. The odds of us winning the first pick this year was incredibly small but unlikely things can happen. We got the short end of the stick in the original deal. Now NO insists on it being worse by us having to take Zeller. They could have fixed the deal by giving us a useful player. They didn’t. We took a bad player and filled the small amount of space we had with bad salary. What is the logical move? Changing the protection on the pick so we just get either the NO or MIL pick period. That would make up some of the gap in the original trade and pay us for taking on Zeller. What is that weak version of that? Picking up two second round picks or something like that to facilitate this for NO and not take back an actual player. What is the actual version? Make the puck worse by allowing top 4 protection. Talk about a weak, pathetic, desperate look to you as GM. You took bad salary to make the trade worse and thanked NO for letting you do it by giving them protection on the pick in addition to worst of status. Wow. That is terrible GMing. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterSays Posted July 7 Report Share Posted July 7 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: Zion is out injured again, NOP loses in playin, they move from 10 to 1 in the draft. The Dame pairing is disastrous and Giannis asks out. I'll just leave this here. Very very low probability, but franchise altering bad luck if it plays out that way. And seems so pointless to even risk it when we were the ones giving up the best player in the trade. Edited July 7 by ShooterSays 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted July 7 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 7 13 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said: ....why does this ALWAYS happen to us? I know I'll sound like a broken record, but we have ZERO bargaining power in any negotiations when it's ALWAYS about salary cutting. What are we doing? What's the 'WINNING' move? Capela should be moved soon is what I'm hearing. Also heard it was multiple teams to confirm @Mikey it is 5 teams with real interest. So this should net something back for us. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Vol4ever Posted July 7 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 7 48 minutes ago, ATLHawks3 said: Flip Capela and hand the keys to Okongwu. A 6-8 center that's weighs about 225? Lmao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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