2024-25 Insider Thread

[phoostal]

5 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

Agree with everything but the last part.  I think the premise that you use the tax to turn a .500 team into a contender is flawed/wrong.  There are maybe 4 teams in the league using the tax well, and everyone else is using it wrong or not using it.  If we started to use it, it would most likely be a failure to launch.  

Teague said our owner is cool as hell.  Why do so many here think he’s Monty Burns?  Is the truth somewhere in between?

I’m personally tired of the “pay the tax” worshippers when we don’t even have a roster that justifies it.  

Never said pay the tax, if that happens that happens, but not using all the tools he has available.  For example selling off second round picks, not using all of your roster spots, or paying guaranteed money for someone like Vit at the end of the year, etc 

If he was trying to win he would maximize his opportunities to do so without paying the tax. 

Also no one is saying he has to go into the second apron on the tax

[JayBirdHawk]

Not that I think we are signing any, but here:

Best remaining free agents:

PG

T. Jones M. Fultz K. Lowry P. Beverley S. Dinwiddie

SG

G. Trent Jr. L. Kennard L. Walker IV J. Okogie E. Fournier

SF

I. Okoro (R) S. Bey G. Hayward D. McDermott C. Osman

PF

P. Achiuwa J. Crowder H. Highsmith T. Watford (R) M. Morris C P. Reed

C.

Metu D. Theis S. Mamukelashvili (R) M. Muscala

[RedDawg#8]

So, are we done making moves now, is that the outrage?

The Murray deal doesn’t change anything for me compared to last week.

Is the fear that we have no more trade options available now? 

[warcore]

1 hour ago, Final_quest said:

There is a reason why Supes said money is clean for the first time in ages.  They are setting things up to where they can do some of the moves you guys want to see.  That is one positive from going through this pain.

not gonna lie FQ, you sound like someone whose been tee'd up to be disappointed. 

[hylndr11]

1 hour ago, deester11 said:

It was the pompous way he handled questions two years straight like the fans were dumb and the hawks were going to look different. Like @JayBirdHawk...it's taken me a while to get here, but now that I am...show me. Not listening to the Stanford guy..Riddler...none of em. 

I cant stand Koonin, man I want to cash him ousside.

[warcore]

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

But you're trading Zeller for Bruno at this point.

another bad trade. 

[gurpilo]

hace 16 minutos, JayBirdHawk dijo:

Not that I think we are signing any, but here:

Best remaining free agents:

PG

T. Jones M. Fultz K. Lowry P. Beverley S. Dinwiddie

SG

G. Trent Jr. L. Kennard L. Walker IV J. Okogie E. Fournier

SF

I. Okoro (R) S. Bey G. Hayward D. McDermott C. Osman

PF

P. Achiuwa J. Crowder H. Highsmith T. Watford (R) M. Morris C P. Reed

C.

Metu D. Theis S. Mamukelashvili (R) M. Muscala

There are some guys we could use and sign cheap on that list, Cameron Payne, Fultz or Dwindidie as backup PG, Jae Crowder as F off the bench and I would add a stretch 5 that would be perfect fit, Orlando Robinson. Definately I would cut Zeller, Bruno, Liddell for them but none of these moves are going to happen.

[warcore]

9 minutes ago, hylndr11 said:

I cant stand Koonin, man I want to cash him ousside.

I always think of this scene when I see his face. 

 

[Hawkish]

2 minutes ago, warcore said:

I always think of this scene when I see his face. 

 

A little harsh

[Wretch]

17 minutes ago, Hawkish said:

A little harsh

Is it tho...? lol

[Hawkish]

3 minutes ago, Wretch said:

Is it tho...? lol

The comparison - no.  The scene, yes.

[Final_quest]

1 hour ago, warcore said:

not gonna lie FQ, you sound like someone whose been tee'd up to be disappointed. 

Ha, well I’ve been a fan since 87.  I’ve either learned to deal with disappointment or to never get my hope up.  

[Hawkmoor]

3 hours ago, AHF said:

No one is building around Nance.  He is filler who will be a nice role player at the 4 and 5 off the bench for this year and likely is gone after this year.

Dyson is the centerpiece of the deal for at least the remainder of Trae’s contract.  The Hawks are building around him given how this trade was structured and the time horizon for competing in this era of the Hawks.  It is a lot to put on his shoulders but he is a talented you player who does things we really need.  I’ve seen a lot of All-NBA defense mentions for him among fans of the trade and I hope he delivers on their faith.

Like I said in a previous post, I had Dyson as PART of a mock deal I did months ago with Herb Jones for Murray or Trae.  Not as the centerpiece. I can tell when a team is really trying to win vs a team that is in constant rebuild mode on purpose.  If they can luck out and win they will take it but they are not really trying to go there. 

I seen enough since 1978 to get a general idea on what a NBA team is doing.  For instance, the Spurs are making moves to put themselves right back in the conversation in the West.  Whether through deft drafting (taking the guy they suppose to or finding gems) to trades, they appear to be on track to getting right back into the hunt.

[AHF]

3 hours ago, Final_quest said:

Agree with everything but the last part.  I think the premise that you use the tax to turn a .500 team into a contender is flawed/wrong.  There are maybe 4 teams in the league using the tax well, and everyone else is using it wrong or not using it.  If we started to use it, it would most likely be a failure to launch.  

Teague said our owner is cool as hell.  Why do so many here think he’s Monty Burns?  Is the truth somewhere in between?

I’m personally tired of the “pay the tax” worshippers when we don’t even have a roster that justifies it.  

Ressler’s biggest sins are interfering with his GM.  He reportedly stopped us from dealing Millsap and Horford for value before they walked for nothing.  He reportedly stepped into the Trae / Luka trade and agreed on something his GM wouldn’t.  He reportedly blocked the trade of JC when he still had value.  He forced TS to trade for DJM over his objection that we were overpaying.  Etc. etc.  

Why would any fan think an owner not letting the GM do their job and pretending like his opinion as someone with no basketball expertise is more valuable than his hand picked basketball team building expert is a good thing?

I hate it when owners decide to play as General Managers.  It rarely works out well.  Hire someone for the job and let them do their job.  Fire them if you don’t trust their judgment and hire a new GM whose judgment you will trust.

[warcore]

1 hour ago, Hawkish said:

A little harsh

I think you may not get it.... 

See @Wretch post to get the reference. (There's nothing harsh about looking like someone)

[Hawkmoor]

1 hour ago, Wretch said:

Is it tho...? lol

The guy on the left has one of them 1970s fros...

Robert Reed, Brady Bunch:

 

John Riggins ain't playing:

 

 

[theheroatl]

A lot of you single out one person or people in the FO..

 

Every move, I blame them all. I don’t sit there and pick out the angels and demons in a FO.

It’s a waste of time. They all get the blame for losing and they all get the praise when winning.

 

as the primary person responsible for pushing the agenda to win, it’s Landry. He is paid to be the one that puts a winning roster together. He doesn’t get a pass if he is hamstrung by finances as there can be moves made on a budget.

 

The fact that they weren’t aggressive with free agents like Kyle Anderson or Delon Wright leads me to believe they aren’t planning on doing the best they can as a front office.

Edited July 8 by theheroatl

[JayBirdHawk]

 

 

[macdaddy]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

Why did we do this?  I know it's not much but he doesn't bring much if anything at all.  

[JeffS17]

4 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Why did we do this?  I know it's not much but he doesn't bring much if anything at all.  

We did it to complete the deal.