Premium Member Wretch Posted July 10 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, ABH said: He is dead to me I guess... He wears the enemy colors now, so when we see him...it's on. Beyond that, I have no issues with DJ. The Hawks are my team, but I enjoy basketball and I do have a list of non-Hawks that I pull for (Dame, Giannis, Jrue Holiday, Jimmy Butler) just because I like their game and attitude. DJ is like that for me now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted July 10 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 10 3 minutes ago, Wretch said: I guess... He wears the enemy colors now, so when we see him...it's on. Beyond that, I have no issues with DJ. The Hawks are my team, but I enjoy basketball and I do have a list of non-Hawks that I pull for (Dame, Giannis, Jrue Holiday, Jimmy Butler) just because I like their game and attitude. DJ is like that for me now. Yeah, I think what splits people is how they felt about him before or without the rose-colored-glasses of him being a Hawk. I'm not a huge fan of his playstyle and game, so it's easier for me to revert back to not really caring about him that much. I'll still support him but probably not to the same extent I support guys like JC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post REHawksFan Posted July 10 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, Wretch said: Honestly...I don't really have an opinion one way or the other about what we're doing. Mostly because I have no clue WHAT we're trying to do doing or who is really in charge. It looks like we're trying to rebuild without our own draft picks...but there's not enough time for that. We have two seasons to put a team around Trae before he walks (and I'm sure he will walk)...and like one season to do something before we have that "1yr rental" market value for him. I think it's obvious what they are doing. Not sure how anyone can't see it or understand it. Surrounding Trae with LENGTH Daniels (6'8" w 6'11" wingspan) Hunter (6'7" w 7'2" wingspan) JJ (6'9" w 7'0" wingspan) OO (6'9" w 7'0" wingspan) Risacher (6'10" w 6'10" wingspan) Nance (6'9" w 7'2" wingspan) Mo (7'0" w 7'3" wingspan) Clint (6'10" w 7'0" wingspan) EIGHT guys with 6'10" wingspan or greater at the 2-5 spots Surrounding Trae with DEFENSE Daniels is ELITE in POA defense (top 5 in the NBA per some metrics last year) Hunter and JJ are capable defenders Risacher is expected to be NBA ready from Day 1 defensively Clint's predominant asset at this point is his defense OO can be a solid defender Resetting the cap sheet Daniels is still on his rookie deal Nance is an expiring Still could trade Dre for an expiring wing or a cheaper wing Still could trade Clint or keep him and he's expiring Restocking the draft capital Received 2 1sts in the DJM deal Will likely receive a 1st for Dre if he's traded I actually think the team makes more sense today than is has in any year since the ECF run. Yes, they are young. Yes, they are unproven in certain areas. BUT, they are balanced. They are defensively minded. They are young and still improving. I'm super excited about this team. It seems obvious to me that they are significantly better than they have been the last 2 years. If they stay reasonably healthy, they will win a lot this year, imo. Finally, as an aside, I think you are shorting Trae 1 year if I'm reading you correctly. He has 2 full years and can then opt out on the 3rd year. But I don't think he can opt out after this year. I also don't think he'll walk or ask out. This team compliments him so very well. I think he'll be very happy with it. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Premium Member Peoriabird Posted July 10 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 10 6 minutes ago, Jody23 said: Sounds like a none answer on whether Trae Young is the future face of this franchise 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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terrell Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 (edited) 42 minutes ago, REHawksFan said: I think it's obvious what they are doing. Not sure how anyone can't see it or understand it. Surrounding Trae with LENGTH Daniels (6'8" w 6'11" wingspan) Hunter (6'7" w 7'2" wingspan) JJ (6'9" w 7'0" wingspan) OO (6'9" w 7'0" wingspan) Risacher (6'10" w 6'10" wingspan) Nance (6'9" w 7'2" wingspan) Mo (7'0" w 7'3" wingspan) Clint (6'10" w 7'0" wingspan) EIGHT guys with 6'10" wingspan or greater at the 2-5 spots Surrounding Trae with DEFENSE Daniels is ELITE in POA defense (top 5 in the NBA per some metrics last year) Hunter and JJ are capable defenders Risacher is expected to be NBA ready from Day 1 defensively Clint's predominant asset at this point is his defense OO can be a solid defender Resetting the cap sheet Daniels is still on his rookie deal Nance is an expiring Still could trade Dre for an expiring wing or a cheaper wing Still could trade Clint or keep him and he's expiring Restocking the draft capital Received 2 1sts in the DJM deal Will likely receive a 1st for Dre if he's traded I actually think the team makes more sense today than is has in any year since the ECF run. Yes, they are young. Yes, they are unproven in certain areas. BUT, they are balanced. They are defensively minded. They are young and still improving. I'm super excited about this team. It seems obvious to me that they are significantly better than they have been the last 2 years. If they stay reasonably healthy, they will win a lot this year, imo. Finally, as an aside, I think you are shorting Trae 1 year if I'm reading you correctly. He has 2 full years and can then opt out on the 3rd year. But I don't think he can opt out after this year. I also don't think he'll walk or ask out. This team compliments him so very well. I think he'll be very happy with it. Capela has a 7'5 WS.. OO 7'2.... Edited July 10 by terrell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABH Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, Wretch said: I guess... He wears the enemy colors now, so when we see him...it's on. Beyond that, I have no issues with DJ. The Hawks are my team, but I enjoy basketball and I do have a list of non-Hawks that I pull for (Dame, Giannis, Jrue Holiday, Jimmy Butler) just because I like their game and attitude. DJ is like that for me now. Those all suck..giannis is the only good one..jrue is ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrell Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 6 minutes ago, Peoriabird said: Sounds like a none answer on whether Trae Young is the future face of this franchise Probably depends on how this season goes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post macdaddy Posted July 10 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted July 10 21 minutes ago, Jody23 said: Ugh. Who talks like that? Do better. This is part of your job and not a small part either. 4 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post Jody23 Posted July 10 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted July 10 22 minutes ago, Jody23 said: Not the answer I would have given, even if the team is not committed to him beyond this season. Trae is still the franchise player. He shouldn't have mentioned Dejounte in his response either imho. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post macdaddy Posted July 10 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted July 10 1 minute ago, Jody23 said: Not the answer I would have given, even if the team is not committed to him beyond this season. Trae is still the franchise player. Exactly! Why's he so scared to say: Of course! Trae is our star. We want to win a championship with Trae. No one is going to care that he said it if he turns around and trades him later. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post teflondonny Posted July 10 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 10 That was a terrible answer. If I'm Trae I'm feeling unappreciated. How hard is it to say you want Trae around and have no intention on trading him, you will continue to reshape the roster with him in mind? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Popular Post Wretch Posted July 10 Premium Member Popular Post Report Share Posted July 10 15 minutes ago, REHawksFan said: I think it's obvious what they are doing. Not sure how anyone can't see it or understand it. Surrounding Trae with LENGTH Daniels (6'8" w 6'11" wingspan) Hunter (6'7" w 7'2" wingspan) JJ (6'9" w 7'0" wingspan) OO (6'9" w 7'0" wingspan) Risacher (6'10" w 6'10" wingspan) Nance (6'9" w 7'2" wingspan) Mo (7'0" w 7'3" wingspan) Clint (6'10" w 7'0" wingspan) EIGHT guys with 6'10" wingspan or greater at the 2-5 spots Surrounding Trae with DEFENSE Daniels is ELITE in POA defense (top 5 in the NBA per some metrics last year) Hunter and JJ are capable defenders Risacher is expected to be NBA ready from Day 1 defensively Clint's predominant asset at this point is his defense OO can be a solid defender Resetting the cap sheet Daniels is still on his rookie deal Nance is an expiring Still could trade Dre for an expiring wing or a cheaper wing Still could trade Clint or keep him and he's expiring Restocking the draft capital Received 2 1sts in the DJM deal Will likely receive a 1st for Dre if he's traded I actually think the team makes more sense today than is has in any year since the ECF run. Yes, they are young. Yes, they are unproven in certain areas. BUT, they are balanced. They are defensively minded. They are young and still improving. I'm super excited about this team. It seems obvious to me that they are significantly better than they have been the last 2 years. If they stay reasonably healthy, they will win a lot this year, imo. Finally, as an aside, I think you are shorting Trae 1 year if I'm reading you correctly. He has 2 full years and can then opt out on the 3rd year. But I don't think he can opt out after this year. I also don't think he'll walk or ask out. This team compliments him so very well. I think he'll be very happy with it. You are having a hard time with my comments because the Squawk is and has always been very polarized. We have these extremely binary discussions that boil down to opposite camps of either "you like the thing" or "you don't like the thing" and you guys get so caught up in the back and forth that you have difficulty processing when someone isn't trying to take a side. So we're clear, I'm concerned about retaining our star and in light of that, confused about the overall direction/strategy of the franchise going forward moreso than specifically what they're putting on the floor, in this moment, today. I'm not committing to excitement and I'm not down on the team. I am taking a wait and see attitude if that makes more sense to you. I don't have questions about the roster as it's pretty obvious to anyone looking at it what we got. For extra clarity, things I am NOT saying: We're not trying to compete We can't win with this team I am not excited by the potential in the players we have I don't trust Landry I don't trust Korver I don't trust Quin I want to trade Trae I wish we kept DJM I think Dyson Daniels has no potential I don't like Risacher and I think he is going to bust Trae has 2 years and a player option. I am of the opinion that if we're going to try to build a team to keep Trae in a Hawks uniform, we should not make considerations beyond the '25/'26 season. I love Trae, I think he's a superstar, and I believe he is a 1A. I love his attitude and how he plays the game. I think he is the most amazing Hawk that I have seen in nearly 40 years of watching this team. Even if he requested a trade, I would still root for him because I like his attitude... I like him more than I have any Hawk - including Nique. I am not convinced that short of a deep and amazing playoff run, with a legitimate 1B beside him, that we would be able to retain Trae beyond 2026 and that will significantly affect his trade value... **►!IF!◄** ...we at some point tried explore it. I completely understand why people would think otherwise. Agree to disagree and let's move on from that. As it pertains to what we have on the floor. I don't know. That's not a knock against Trae or the team. It's just...my couch GM assessment of where we are. I don't hate us this year I am a Trae "stan" and have very few criticisms of his game. He needs his compliment like any other star. I love Jalen Johnson, and have been championing him since his SL debut. I'm stupidly interested in seeing if there's any more growth in him. Especially this year with DJ leaving an opening for 1B. I'm intrigued by the potential that Risacher has to be CnS. I think we have some great basketball minds in the front office, so I have faith that they at least believe that they made the right draft pick and worked hard on making the decision. I've seen a thousand rookies and he's that, so the proof will be what it actually translates to. I'm not a "DE-fanse or bust" person, so I'm a bit worried about offensive production in general. I've been pining for a legit sniper in the starting lineup for years now. I like the potential of DD as a defender and playmaker and I'm interested in seeing how the chemistry works with Trae. I have questions like everyone else... Will OO step into the starter's role and consistently provide offensive production outside of the paint? What will we do with Clint? What will we do with Hunter - I like our chances with him in that bench role. Will Risacher bloosom sooner than later and push someone out of the starting lineup? If no one steps up as a 1B, can we do it by committee like 2015? I'm not confused and I'm not going to preach gloom and doom. I'm just taking notes and observing. I am put off with our ownership and how they've made a mess of being gifted a talent like Trae. If there is any hard takeaways from me here: I have ZERO confidence, negative confidence, that OUR OWNERSHIP will actually let the basketball minds do their jobs without meddling or "cheaping" out. I will believe it when I see it and I'll die on that hill. If we don't already have what we need to compete at a high level, and are not making plans for a splash this season, then I have less than 30% confidence that we can obtain it within the confines Trae's contractual commitment to the franchise. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 (edited) 15 minutes ago, macdaddy said: Ugh. Who talks like that? Do better. This is part of your job and not a small part either. Landry sucks. He sucks at pressers he sucks at completing big trades, he sucks at getting this team out of the dumpster why can’t we have Tim Connelly Edited July 10 by theheroatl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post macdaddy Posted July 10 Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted July 10 We are better right now than last year's roster because we have improved our D and we have a backup PF. But to be a contender we need to be much better. We went to the ECF because we had shooters and bucket getters. And our defense was just ok. We have shooting potential now but we still lack bucket getters outside of Trae and we have no experienced depth at positions 1-3. All of that's fine if this is a building year. We can't fool ourselves into thinking this is a top 4 team in the east. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted July 10 Premium Member Report Share Posted July 10 24 minutes ago, ABH said: Those all suck..giannis is the only good one..jrue is ok 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bonzaii58 Posted July 10 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 10 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Jody23 said: What kind of foolishness is this from Landry? I can’t stand how fickle we are about things. Trae is our star and we should be building around him. Either say that or say that we’re going in a different direction. The ambiguity is unnecessary and not productive. Edited July 10 by Bonzaii58 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afro Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 How f***ing hard is it to say yes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheroatl Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 I hope Risacher turns into baby Durant like I think he will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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