2024-25 Insider Thread

[kg01]

Wellness check on @TheNorthCydeRises.

The sun'll come out tomorrow, bro.  Betcha bottom dollar.

And to add insult to insult, we get to keep Zellar!!!! 

[warcore]

7 minutes ago, ShayD said:

 

Unlucky casualty.

fk you Landry
fk you Tony
fk you Nikki

Thanks for your service Bruno. 

[kg01]

13 minutes ago, akay said:

We need a vet pg?  

 

Eh, if we're going to the laundromat .. where the washed players are .. give me John Wall over that guy. 

[AHF]

We should now officially consider Bruno part of the DJM trade since the way that trade was constructed led directly to us cutting him.  Still want to know why they didn't do the trade with Jonas V and removing Zeller.  Might never get an answer to that.

[JayBirdHawk]

9 minutes ago, AHF said:

We should now officially consider Bruno part of the DJM trade since the way that trade was constructed led directly to us cutting him.  Still want to know why they didn't do the trade with Jonas V and removing Zeller.  Might never get an answer to that.

This Zeller snafu still looms large since we ended up cutting Bruno. But on top of that because he was signed for more than the vet min contract of $3.3 mil, Hawks don't get to take advantage of the $2.1 mil value that counts against the cap for vet min deals. Instead, it's the entire $3.5 mil that counts against the cap.

[Final_quest]

11 minutes ago, AHF said:

We should now officially consider Bruno part of the DJM trade since the way that trade was constructed led directly to us cutting him.  Still want to know why they didn't do the trade with Jonas V and removing Zeller.  Might never get an answer to that.

Might not ever know, but at this point why keep Zeller over Bruno?  Do they see Zeller as a better player?  Or do they want a higher dollar contract for a possible future trade?

[AHF]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

This Zeller snafu still looms large since we ended up cutting Bruno. But on top of that because he was signed for more than the vet min contract of $3.3 mil, Hawks don't get to take advantage of the $2.1 mil value that counts against the cap for vet min deals. Instead, it's thee entire $3.5 mil that counts against the cap.

This is what negotiating with leverage looks like.  For whatever reason, NO and Atlanta decided not to combine their trade with the Jonas trade.  As a result, NO had to include Zeller or give up a real player and Atlanta had no appetite to try to push value at that point.  So despite Zeller not even being worth a minimum and despite the negative implications for the Hawks, he refuses to sign for a minimum contract and Landry agrees to give him more than the vet minimum.  Cody "You are Lucky If I'm Healthy for Half the Season or Average More than My 1.8 Points and 2.6 Rebounds per Game" Zeller used our desperation and weak spine reputation to squeeze us for extra juice to our detriment and we just took it to get the deal done with no sweetener from NO.  This is a microcosm for the current state of the Hawks.  A problem that seems to have been entirely avoidable and NO gets what they want at no additional cost, Zeller gets extra from us forcing us to cut a better player, and we take all the negatives.

[HawksNWaffles]

30 minutes ago, ShayD said:

 

30 minutes ago, ShayD said:

 

Unlucky casualty.

Edited July 30 by HawksNWaffles

[JTB]

So we keeping Zeller looks like .

 

going to be some mad fans when they realize there’s no plans to bring in a true backup point.

 

Those of you who aren’t blind can see that every move is to be cheap. So why wouldn’t they just go with Bogi ? 

[AHF]

Just now, Final_quest said:

Might not ever know, but at this point why keep Zeller over Bruno?  Do they see Zeller as a better player?  Or do they want a higher dollar contract for a possible future trade?

Because keeping Zeller means staying under the tax line without having to make any other moves.

[kg01]

23 minutes ago, AHF said:

We should now officially consider Bruno part of the DJM trade since the way that trade was constructed led directly to us cutting him.  Still want to know why they didn't do the trade with Jonas V and removing Zeller.  Might never get an answer to that.

It's because our GM stands for generally mediocre. 

[JayBirdHawk]

17 minutes ago, AHF said:

This is what negotiating with leverage looks like.  For whatever reason, NO and Atlanta decided not to combine their trade with the Jonas trade.  As a result, NO had to include Zeller or give up a real player and Atlanta had no appetite to try to push value at that point.  So despite Zeller not even being worth a minimum and despite the negative implications for the Hawks, he refuses to sign for a minimum contract and Landry agrees to give him more than the vet minimum.  Cody "You are Lucky If I'm Healthy for Half the Season or Average More than My 1.8 Points and 2.6 Rebounds per Game" Zeller used our desperation and weak spine reputation to squeeze us for extra juice to our detriment and we just took it to get the deal done with no sweetener from NO.  This is a microcosm for the current state of the Hawks.  A problem that seems to have been entirely avoidable and NO gets what they want at no additional cost, Zeller gets extra from us forcing us to cut a better player, and we take all the negatives.

...and we supposedly hired a new cap gu-ru! 

[Final_quest]

16 minutes ago, AHF said:

Because keeping Zeller means staying under the tax line without having to make any other moves.

So cutting Zeller and paying Bruno would mean both salaries count towards the tax?  I never understood what our options were with Zeller.  

[RedDawg#8]

Bruno extended his deadline twice to give us time to make room for him on the roster. We obviously couldn’t find a suitable deal out there and with Brunos deadline approaching this week, they decided not to extend it again and let him talk to other teams.

I saw this coming and tried to warn everyone who thought Bruno was coming back. Nance likely is the reserve center now but I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets shipped out too to save us money.

[JayBirdHawk]

19 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

Might not ever know, but at this point why keep Zeller over Bruno?  Do they see Zeller as a better player?  Or do they want a higher dollar contract for a possible future trade?

If you cut him, his money still counts against the cap. The most we can do is offer a buyout to reduce the full cap hit fir whatever that buyout number is. 

Why would he take a buyout for less than what his contract is, unless he has another team lined up for a vet min slot. (Salaries would offset.)

[ShayD]

 

[JayBirdHawk]

22 minutes ago, Final_quest said:

So cutting Zeller and paying Bruno would mean both salaries count towards the tax?  I never understood what our options were with Zeller.  

Yes, towards the over cap charge.

[Sothron]

He just turned 21 and put up like 24/8 on almost 58% shooting in the G league last season.  He's a real player. Very solid signing by the team. 

[deester11]

11 minutes ago, Sothron said:

He just turned 21 and put up like 24/8 on almost 58% shooting in the G league last season.  He's a real player. Very solid signing by the team. 

Not poo pooing the Hawks propensity to snatch mediocrity from the jaws of excellence, but so what? This FO pizzes mediocrity.  Smdh. Landry and his pals got us again. 

[Dragitoff]

I hate to lose Bruno but some of y'all are acting like we waived prime Shaq.  Zeller or Bruno was our 4th best option at Center regardless of who we kept.  Leverage to trade Clint or another center probably slipped a little with folks knowing we had a roster crunch and an oversupply of centers.  NBA teams don't typically make it easier for other teams unless it benefits them in some way.  This was the logical reason because regardless of how cheap Ressler has been, it was the smart move.  If we're going to pay the tax, let it be for someone who will actually be a rotational piece or a real difference maker.  Not a 13-15th man.