2024-25 Insider Thread

[Sothron]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

We should now officially consider Bruno part of the DJM trade since the way that trade was constructed led directly to us cutting him.  Still want to know why they didn't do the trade with Jonas V and removing Zeller.  Might never get an answer to that.

I could have sworn either myself or @thecampster answered this before. The Wizards didn't want to help the Hawks. There's a certain ex-Hawk person there that made sure of it.

[JayBirdHawk]

3 minutes ago, Dragitoff said:

I hate to lose Bruno but some of y'all are acting like we waived prime Shaq.  Zeller or Bruno was our 4th best option at Center regardless of who we kept. 

My issue is what appears to me a error that occurred in the DJ trade that warranted us taking on Zeller unnecessarily in the first place and get 'stuck' with him. The initial reports suggested he would be bought out immediately. 

For a penny pinching team the difference in contract value matters.

[Sothron]

14 minutes ago, deester11 said:

Not poo pooing the Hawks propensity to snatch mediocrity from the jaws of excellence, but so what? This FO pizzes mediocrity.  Smdh. Landry and his pals got us again. 

Have you seen this kid play? We got a just turned 21 year old real prospect to sign a team friendly two way contract. This is a win for the FO and for us as fans. This is a guy with real upside as a two way forward/center. We got him for basically nothing. 

Its okay to not hate everything this team does and still be critical of the decisions they have made.

[Dragitoff]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

My issue is what appears to me a error that occurred in the DJ trade that warranted us taking on Zeller unnecessarily in the first place and get 'stuck' with him. The initial reports suggested he would be bought out immediately. 

For a penny pinching team the difference in contract value matters.

Agreed, but as it was reported, Schlenk wasn't willing to help the Hawks in that scenario so the option was off the table.  End of the bench pieces with marginal difference to me. 

[Dragitoff]

6 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Have you seen this kid play? We got a just turned 21 year old real prospect to sign a team friendly two way contract. This is a win for the FO and for us as fans. This is a guy with real upside as a two way forward/center. We got him for basically nothing. 

Its okay to not hate everything this team does and still be critical of the decisions they have made.

Does this signing guarantee Nikola is going back overseas?  Surely they don't want to waive Garrison over him. 

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, Sothron said:

I could have sworn either myself or @thecampster answered this before. The Wizards didn't want to help the Hawks. There's a certain ex-Hawk person there that made sure of it.

Hawks stay helping other teams but don't get the same in return.

We delayed the trade so NOP would avoid the Luxury tax last season and the payment for doing that was Zeller which also put us mere dollars below the tax line. 

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, Dragitoff said:

Agreed, but as it was reported, Schlenk wasn't willing to help the Hawks in that scenario so the option was off the table.  End of the bench pieces with marginal difference to me. 

Then it should have been 'something' on the NOP side of the ledger that compensated us for it.

[Dragitoff]

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Hawks stay helping other teams but don't get the same in return.

We delayed the trade so NOP would avoid the Luxury tax last season and the payment for doing that was Zeller which also put us mere dollars below the tax line. 

Schlenk...the bitter, bald, b!+([-]

[deester11]

29 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Have you seen this kid play? We got a just turned 21 year old real prospect to sign a team friendly two way contract. This is a win for the FO and for us as fans. This is a guy with real upside as a two way forward/center. We got him for basically nothing. 

Its okay to not hate everything this team does and still be critical of the decisions they have made.

Man please. I call out good moves if and when they should ever occur. I just don't go along with everything they do. Big difference. 

[AHF]

37 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Then it should have been 'something' on the NOP side of the ledger that compensated us for it.

They added more protections on to that second pick.  Isn't that helping us?  

I'm hoping to see us not getting raked over the coals for other teams benefits.

We do this for NO's benefit, Washington ****'d us with this, and then NO did nothing to compensate us.

So bad.

[Dragitoff]

13 minutes ago, AHF said:

They added more protections on to that second pick.  Isn't that helping us?  

I'm hoping to see us not getting raked over the coals for other teams benefits.

We do this for NO's benefit, Washington ****'d us with this, and then NO did nothing to compensate us.

So bad.

While I wished we'd gotten out of that a little better, I think a lot of people are undervaluing that Lakers pick.  They're relying on Mr. Glass AD and an over 40 Lebron to be good.  AD played in 56 games last year and Lebron played well and DLo went on a stretch for a while there playing really well and they still barely got out of the play in.  I'm not expected much from them.

[kg01]

1 hour ago, deester11 said:

Not poo pooing the Hawks propensity to snatch mediocrity from the jaws of excellence, but so what? This FO pizzes mediocrity.  Smdh. Landry and his pals got us again. 

You're pissin away what's left of yer Hawks DNA, dees.  Shall I join you ....

1 hour ago, Dragitoff said:

Does this signing guarantee Nikola is going back overseas?  Surely they don't want to waive Garrison over him. 

Ngl, I wasn't as impressed with Niko as I thought I was gonna be.  Maybe he shld be overseas....

[Spud2nique]

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

dees

’s!!! Gotttteeeeeemmmmm 

[ShayD]

Whether Washington wanted to help  or not doesn't matter. Both Hawks and Pelicans were desperate to do the trade, but the pelicans showed more desperation. To make the salary work the Pelicans had to ship out both Liddell and Zeller, paying tax is a non starter for them, they were the more desperate team.

The Hawks did not have to absorb both players, it was not a requirement. DJM for 2 picks, Nance and Daniels is a decent deal for both teams. If Pelicans have to salary dump then that's their problem. If they shipped both players to another team like the Jazz, they will be also be sending assets to the team, but for some reason the Hawks just had to take both of them without any compensation, while also making one of the picks coming back worse.  

Now Pelicans just transfer their problem to the Hawks to solve while the Hawks roster is still a bit unbalanced(but better) and the team is struggling a bit to get good FAs and make good value trades without getting fleeced.

Edited July 30 by ShayD

[deester11]

29 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

’s!!! Gotttteeeeeemmmmm 

Spud don't get me started.  I'm trying..I really am

[deester11]

33 minutes ago, kg01 said:

You're pissin away what's left of yer Hawks DNA, dees.  Shall I join you ....

Ngl, I wasn't as impressed with Niko as I thought I was gonna be.  Maybe he shld be overseas....

My Hawks DNA is already on life support.  Pulling the plug is not an option..yet. And how dare you use that to trigger me...PTSD over again!

[Jdawgflow]

5 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Then it should have been 'something' on the NOP side of the ledger that compensated us for it.

I got blasted for saying this right after the trade and now everyone seems to be on board that we got short-changed.

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, Jdawgflow said:

I got blasted for saying this right after the trade and now everyone seems to be on board that we got short-changed.

Wasn't me. 

[deester11]

8 minutes ago, Jdawgflow said:

I got blasted for saying this right after the trade and now everyone seems to be on board that we got short-changed.

Call em out. We fam. Dysfunctional..but we fam... I think everyone knows my thoughts..so I'm trying to be good. Happy. Happy. 

(Then again..don't.  Me thinks the mods won't participate). 

[JayBirdHawk]