ATLHawks3 Posted September 23 Report Share Posted September 23 1 hour ago, ShooterSays said: C’mon Tony, stop being cheap. He's super washed. He can't stay healthy anymore for a full 82. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted September 23 Author Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted September 23 11 minutes ago, ATLHawks3 said: He's super washed. He can't stay healthy anymore for a full 82. Health is a huge issue, but I'm not sure about "super washed." Last year, his per36 numbers were: 17.2 points on .540% TS%, 7.0 assists, 4.1 rebounds Compare that to his age 27 season where he was healthy enough to play 66 games: 18.5 points on .479% TS%, 5.3 assists, 3.9 rebounds Or even compare that to his first All-Star season at age 21: 20.3 points on .532% TS%, 5.9 assists, 3.7 rebounds He is actually still holding up really well in terms of productivity for the minutes he is playing. All about health, imo. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted September 23 Report Share Posted September 23 4 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: SNY sources: Knicks center Mitchell Robinson will not be ready for the start of the regular season. Depending on rehab process, December/January is a target for Robinson’s return, per sources. Robinson is recovering from offseason ankle surgery. Knicks and Robinson do not want to rush the rehab process and both want Robinson 100% healthy before his return. NYK internally is confident in the depth and versatility of the team to compete while Robinson is out, per league sources. Don't worry, folks. Per fakegm, Knix will just acquire OO or Capela for cheap. Ya know, so we can continue our rebuild. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted September 24 Premium Member Report Share Posted September 24 ....earlier in the offseason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post AHF Posted September 24 Author Moderators Popular Post Report Share Posted September 24 Capela’s expiring salary means there is good reason to keep him even if the FO wants to commit to OO. He shouldn’t be moved unless real value is returning. If we just keep him and let him walk, that works well with JJ’s next contract and our goal of avoiding the tax. Plus we should be trying to win and he is our biggest viable center by a significant margin. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg#8 Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 2 hours ago, AHF said: He shouldn’t be moved unless real value is returning. Kiss of death How many times are we going to keep saying this just to get disappointed in the end at the return? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted September 24 Author Moderators Report Share Posted September 24 5 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said: Kiss of death How many times are we going to keep saying this just to get disappointed in the end at the return? The big difference for me is that keeping him means you drop a bunch of money off the cap next season which needs to happen. (Because I assume there is no universe in which Tony pays the tax next year). Dumping him for multiple expiring contracts doesn't get you anything more and in fact really complicates things unless you can package Zeller or someone else to match the number of incoming players. Tough to see a lot of expiring contracts big enough to match CC that make sense in a deal...unless a pick gets attached in which case it is the value of the draft asset(s) that is driving the deal. But we'll see. If we downgrade talent by trading him out and don't get value back to make up the difference, then I will certainly be disappointed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted September 24 Premium Member Report Share Posted September 24 The difficulty with a Knick trade is the number of players we'd need to take back for them to make up the $22.2 mil that Capela is owed. These are the guys they would most likely want to include and it will be multiple players needed to get to $22.2 million. NYK would need to send out at least 3 players if Robinson is included. If he isn't it's a lot more to get to $22.2 mil. Hawks have 14 guaranteed spots and GMats non-guarantee, which means we'll need to cut 1 or 2 or 3 players to match salaries coming from NY. It would need to be a 3 team trade to offset the number of players the Knicks need to send out. These are the picks they have to trade, which would most likely end up being 2nds: 2025 first round draft pick from Detroit Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022] 2025 first round draft pick from Washington Washington's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Houston-Washington, 12/2/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JTB Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 Give us Randle for Capela. Let Randle play the 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted September 25 Premium Member Report Share Posted September 25 28 minutes ago, JTB said: Give us Randle for Capela. Let Randle play the 5 At 6'-8"?? Coming off shoulder surgery Won't be ready to start the season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted September 26 Premium Member Report Share Posted September 26 Lakers open to trading first-round picks Dave McMenamin: Rob Pelinka says the team is open to trading their two available first round picks if any deal they would be involved in can help secure “sustained Lakers excellence” – via x.com 2025 - To ATL (via NOP) 2026 - Own 2027 - 1-4 Own; 5-30 to UTH 2028 - Own 2029 - Own 2030 - Own 2031 - Own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted September 27 Premium Member Report Share Posted September 27 Think Yimmy requests a trade? At the end of last season, Riley avoided confirming whether the Heat would offer Butler an extension. His season-ending comments were fiery, and Hardaway wasn’t surprised. “I was waiting on that,” Hardaway said on All the Smoke podcast.”I knew something was going to happen. I told some people, I said, ‘Pat gonna talk this year,’ especially you know he’s tired of a lot of things that are going on with the team. He’s tired of Jimmy Butler.” – via BasketNews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted September 27 Moderators Report Share Posted September 27 I'm here for the Heat's implosion. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 1 hour ago, JayBirdHawk said: Think Yimmy requests a trade? At the end of last season, Riley avoided confirming whether the Heat would offer Butler an extension. His season-ending comments were fiery, and Hardaway wasn’t surprised. “I was waiting on that,” Hardaway said on All the Smoke podcast.”I knew something was going to happen. I told some people, I said, ‘Pat gonna talk this year,’ especially you know he’s tired of a lot of things that are going on with the team. He’s tired of Jimmy Butler.” – via BasketNews Riley is a whole fraud and that cult of people he has following him down there (and elsewhere) are clowns. Jimi is overrated and has worn out his welcome, as he does literally everywhere. But that doesn't absolve Riley of his dereliction of duty the past several years. 1 hour ago, macdaddy said: I'm here for the Heat's implosion. Oh you know that gets my juices flowin'.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted September 27 Author Moderators Report Share Posted September 27 Nah, Riley has earned his HOF credentials as a coach and executive. I, of course, am rooting on the Heat to implode but calling him a fraud is several steps too far. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 3 hours ago, AHF said: Nah, Riley has earned his HOF credentials as a coach and executive. I, of course, am rooting on the Heat to implode but calling him a fraud is several steps too far. Today ... in 2024 .. he is a FRAUD. His job ... today is not to stand on his accomplishments and tell everyone about his resume. His job .. today .. is to build a team. How's he been at that the last few years? He's been very Troy Weaver-ish. He shld similarly be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted September 27 Author Moderators Report Share Posted September 27 2 hours ago, kg01 said: Today ... in 2024 .. he is a FRAUD. His job ... today is not to stand on his accomplishments and tell everyone about his resume. His job .. today .. is to build a team. How's he been at that the last few years? He's been very Troy Weaver-ish. He shld similarly be fired. Track record is still important and the Heat were literally in the NBA finals one year ago and last year lost in the playoffs to the eventual NBA champs. If he deserves to be fired almost every GM in the league deserves to be fired. They don't seem to be trending the right direction but that is natural. GS, Denver, and others haven't been improving every year lately either but firing the GM doesn't always make sense when the roster is aging but still way too competitive to get back in the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 1 hour ago, AHF said: Track record is still important and the Heat were literally in the NBA finals one year ago and last year lost in the playoffs to the eventual NBA champs. If he deserves to be fired almost every GM in the league deserves to be fired. They don't seem to be trending the right direction but that is natural. GS, Denver, and others haven't been improving every year lately either but firing the GM doesn't always make sense when the roster is aging but still way too competitive to get back in the lottery. So you're with me? FireRiley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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