2024-25 Insider Thread

[JTB]

Just now, Sothron said:

How many times have I said on here that I can't stand Tony Ressler? He never bought the team to be a long term owner. He bought it just to flip it later. We were TWO WINS from the FINALS and he still refused to pay the tax. 

I've been told he knows he has to pay the tax to keep Trae whose worth is higher than the money he would save by not paying the tax. So...we'll see. 

See what I mean @KB21 …..there’s too much legit concern that Trae could be traded.

smh …Tony is worse than the ASG! 

[REHawksFan]

If they trade Trae, it's a wrap. That would make zero sense. What they've done to date makes sense. They put length and defense around Trae. They are building around their best player. Logical. 

Trading Trae would be epic stupidity. And that's from a basketball and PR standpoint. 

[JeffS17]

I’ll add that avoiding the tax is an obviously prudent move this season.  There is really no precedent for a play-in team that could not make the playoff springing into the tax the following year.  Not even the deepest pocketed owner would be taking this squad into the tax right now, assuming they have competent strategic ops personnel on their payroll.

Given our current roster, the most likely time we would go into the tax would be when JJs extension kicks in, assuming there is not a blockbuster move made this offseason, which I would deem unlikely.

So it really makes no sense to even be talking about the tax right now with where this team is.  You guys talk about our squad like we’re a top 3 seed.  There is no easy button to spend us to a chip next season.  The pattern of overvaluing players on our team and the team as a whole has led to a lot of unwarranted spillover criticism.

[theheroatl]

2 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

I’ll add that avoiding the tax is an obviously prudent move this season.  There is really no precedent for a play-in team that could not make the playoff springing into the tax the following year.  Not even the deepest pocketed owner would be taking this squad into the tax right now, assuming they have competent strategic ops personnel on their payroll.

Given our current roster, the most likely time we would go into the tax would be when JJs extension kicks in, assuming there is not a blockbuster move made this offseason, which I would deem unlikely.

So it really makes no sense to even be talking about the tax right now with where this team is.  You guys talk about our squad like we’re a top 3 seed.  There is no easy button to spend us to a chip next season.  The pattern of overvaluing players on our team and the team as a whole has led to a lot of unwarranted spillover criticism.

I agree with this sentiment. I'm tired of the tax discussion. 

 

[NBASupes]

Based on what I am hearing, Atlanta targeting a center with Capela and Hunter for a salary dump. Atlanta was close on the Grimes deal but Dallas offered picks to land Grimes. 

Detroit obviously still has interest in Dre. They are just seeing how FA works. At the end of the day, they are looking at their FA options as well as some others. Dre is high on several teams list. Capela is high with some teams looking for depth and an expiring. He also provide cap savings for some. He's been getting serious calls just due to his availability and lack of options outside of the top guys. 

[aali34]

I feel like the goal this season is to be a lock for a non play-in post season standing. Then you can do a heavy move that puts you over the top. Even at the trade deadline if you have to.

The big risk is that if you are trash to start the season(as we typically have been) you've all but guaranteed Trae to be asking out the following season unless you have a mid-season turn around.

We need depth tremendously

[JayBirdHawk]

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Hunter for a salary dump

[REHawksFan]

2 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

I agree with this sentiment. I'm tired of the tax discussion. 

 

The owner being cheap is relevant of course but it shouldn't dominate the conversation, imo, unless we see more JC salary dumps. This wasn't a salary dump. This was trading an ill-fitting player for assets that fit the team. 

The team is unequivocally better today than it was yesterday. I think too many people are missing that point because they can't see past the cheap owner. 

Until and unless they put saving money over making the team better, the whole cheap owner should be a sidebar, imo.

And I say this recognizing that the Hawks had the 23rd highest payroll and 23rd highest win total last year. So there is some correlation between spending and winning. But it's also worth nothing that young cheap teams can also win a lot. See OKC and Orlando. 

[aali34]

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Based on what I am hearing, Atlanta targeting a center with Capela and Hunter for a salary dump. Atlanta was close on the Grimes deal but Dallas offered picks to land Grimes. 

Would they plan to bring in a vet wing back as well? I'm not a fan of losing Hunter this season unless it's for a good return. 

[NBASupes]

Just now, aali34 said:

Would they plan to bring in a vet wing back as well? I'm not a fan of losing Hunter this season unless it's for a good return. 

I doubt it, maybe a fake 2nd back in return

[AHF]

23 minutes ago, KB21 said:

We did get a starter in the deal.  Dyson Daniels will start and be the best perimeter defender we have had since DeMarre and Thabo.  

We did not get a starter.  Daniels has never been a starter and should not start for this team next year.  If he is starting it is because we traded Hunter and DJM and didn’t get a starter quality player.

Daniels should be a nice rotation player.  If we are starting Risacher and Daniels next year with weaker players coming off the bench behind them we are in trouble if we think we are going to be a good team in 2023-24.  We need a legit starter next to Risacher.

Thabo was a mature vet and started less than 1/3 of his games in Atlanta.  That is what Daniels should do until he has leveled up.

[AHF]

17 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

I’ll add that avoiding the tax is an obviously prudent move this season.  There is really no precedent for a play-in team that could not make the playoff springing into the tax the following year.  Not even the deepest pocketed owner would be taking this squad into the tax right now, assuming they have competent strategic ops personnel on their payroll.

Given our current roster, the most likely time we would go into the tax would be when JJs extension kicks in, assuming there is not a blockbuster move made this offseason, which I would deem unlikely.

So it really makes no sense to even be talking about the tax right now with where this team is.  You guys talk about our squad like we’re a top 3 seed.  There is no easy button to spend us to a chip next season.  The pattern of overvaluing players on our team and the team as a whole has led to a lot of unwarranted spillover criticism.

DJM should have been traded for value not salary dumping.  Give up value in another deal to dump salary like CC for Holmes or something.  DJM was the move to chase guys worth paying the tax for.

[JayBirdHawk]

9 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Based on what I am hearing, Atlanta targeting a center with Capela and Hunter for a salary dump. Atlanta was close on the Grimes deal but Dallas offered picks to land Grimes. 

 

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I doubt it, maybe a fake 2nd back in return

@thecampster indicated teams were interested in Hunter for real value...which is it?. Get value or salary dump?

[aali34]

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I doubt it, maybe a fake 2nd back in return

Ugh, is the center they're targeting starting caliber? Losing both guys for only salary relief basically punts the season. 

[NBASupes]

Just now, aali34 said:

Ugh, is the center they're targeting starting caliber? Losing both guys for only salary relief basically punts the season. 

A prime center with size is their primary target. Capela is the asset they are using but Hunter is the throw in. 

[AHF]

9 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Based on what I am hearing, Atlanta targeting a center with Capela and Hunter for a salary dump.

If we dump Hunter you can just give up now on keeping Trae.  We aren’t even trying.  Instead of reloading this team is tearing down and rebuilding?  What a joke.  Ressler and Fields have zero credibility with me if they don’t improve this team over where it is today by the end of the offseason.

[JayBirdHawk]

Just now, NBASupes said:

A prime center with size is their primary target. Capela is the asset they are using but Hunter is the throw in. 

This sounds like Ayton

 

[yungsta]

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I doubt it, maybe a fake 2nd back in return

If that happens I will have serious concerns on if the spurs are secretly paying Landry under the table.

Just can't rationale it at all.

[REHawksFan]

Just now, NBASupes said:

A prime center with size is their primary target. Capela is the asset they are using but Hunter is the throw in. 

So the anticipated deal would be CC and Hunter for a Center upgrade?

I wouldn't consider that a Hunter salary dump. 

[JeffS17]

4 minutes ago, AHF said:

DJM should have been traded for value not salary dumping.  Give up value in another deal to dump salary like CC for Holmes or something.  DJM was the move to chase guys worth paying the tax for.

We bought low on Daniels and got picks back in two drafts we wouldn't have picks.  That helps smooth the rookies coming in which means we'll continuously have 3-5 guys on rookie scale deals.  It was a smart move and the type of move we're going to need to keep making if we want to build this team into something more than a perennial 5-10th seed.  Also, if an opportunistic trade for a major upgrade comes along now, we have the picks to make it happen.