DeJounte Murray traded to the Pelicans

[FL_BRYANT]

5 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Hoping to get Herb or Trey out of this deal. Our only real hope of salvaging value is if the Lakers suck next year. 

I was hoping Jordan Hawkins would be included. If the Hawks were trying to compete Ingram would have been part of the ask. This clearly indicates the Hawks are tanking. Who's next, Trae, Capela, Bogi,Hunter. 

[AHF]

1 minute ago, terrell said:

Pels 27 could be good too..

Zion in 2027

It is the worse of the Bucks and Pels pick so if NO tanks we get the Bucks pick.  Might as well be a protected pick.  Upside is capped in a bad way.

[GThawks3]

57 minutes ago, ShooterSays said:

I’m gonna say this again about Daniels. In a playoff series against SGA where POA defense was desperately needed, he didn’t see the court.

In his current form, he’s a below average role player. 

NO is stacked with wings to be fair. He just turned 21 too. I like +2.5 DBPM a lot. 

Edited June 29 by GThawks3

[thecampster]

So as I was saying a few weeks ago. The Hawks' offseason goals were to get longer, stronger, bigger. All deals would be about size and flexibility

[Q45T]

Quin turned Demarre Carroll into a shooter so who knows… I still ain’t a fan of the return on this trade but whatever. At least we addressed our trash ass defense.

[jy23]

7 minutes ago, AHF said:

You know what never fails in recent years?  The Hawks dump salary to get under the tax line and get back little in talent in their trades.  The only good thing about this trade is that Trae and DJM won’t be playing at the same time for us next year.  We may well be better just because of that.

But…I’ll repeat this for emphasis…BUT…if we were going to make the leap to contend getting a real return on DJM was essential.  This was the biggest card we had to play.  We got two role players in the deal.  One is an overpaid vet who should contribute off the bench but has zero upside.  The other has some upside but also can’t shoot and in a series where POA defense was critical was chained to the bench.

The 2027 pick is garbage.  Worse of the Pels and Bucks.  Lmao.  Really twisted their arm on that.

The 2025 is the highest upside part of the deal but most likely will be right about where the Lakers have picked the last two years:  in the playoffs and outside the lottery.  But it is the best bet from this package.  This is the best engine to excellence that Fields could wrangle for our best player we have traded in years on a great contract.  The fact that he didn’t fit for us doesn’t mean the return should be this garbage.  
 

Incredible to me that anyone would look at this deal and think “this is how we maximize this team.”  The only thing this trade guarantees is another year collecting a tax check for Ressler.

The suggestion would’ve been what then? Bc the Pels weren’t giving up Jones or Murphy and Ingram contract demands are ridiculous so do nothing and run it back with what you yourself calls a bad fit? I’m not saying this make our team great I’m saying this is a better fit with upside. DJ was terrible shooting his last 2 years in San Antonio before he came here and then all of a sudden became a reliable shooter. Dyson is young and could definitely improve from 3. If he does you have a cheap 3 and D option with a vet big man off the bench and picks that you can use to make other moves. If we’re done then yes this is underwhelming but there are other moves that can be made to at least help this team be better. We weren’t going to contend from the DJ trade…wasn’t going to happen. No package for him was going to do that so if that’s what we’re comparing this to then yeah I see the frustration. But that imaginary scenario is just that. Imaginary 

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, thecampster said:

So as I was saying a few weeks ago. The Hawks' offseason goals were to get longer, stronger, bigger. All deals would be about size and flexibility

It's not a terrible deal.

You got the ideal fit in theory with Daniels

You upgraded a position that was a disaster last year which was the backup 4. 

The Lakers 2025 1st is a premium asset

[JayBirdHawk]

11 minutes ago, AHF said:

The 2027 pick is garbage.  Worse of the Pels and Bucks.  Lmao.  Really twisted their arm on that.

I'm hoping that by 2027 Giannis would have asked out from the Bucks and for Zion to keep doing Zion things. That way both teams somehow end up in the lottery. Win, win! 

[AHF]

4 minutes ago, thecampster said:

So as I was saying a few weeks ago. The Hawks' offseason goals were to get longer, stronger, bigger. All deals would be about size and flexibility

We achieved the financial flexibility part of that.  Got a couple bench players to help with depth too.  They might be guys who couldn’t make the cut for NO but they are the centerpiece of the deal for us in 2024-25.

[Atlantaholic]

This organization is a laughing stock around the league. Feel bad for Trae, another year of getting most of the blame for the failure that's will be the 2025 season, and I won't blame him one bit when not if he demands a trade away from this dumpster fire. 

[FL_BRYANT]

22 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

This is a fact. The PF position was a major problem for us last year after JJ. Bey was clearly more of a 3 than a 4 for us

This team isn't competing for anything. What difference does it make if we strengthen the power forward position we aren’t going to win anything.  We basically took a twenty pt 6 assist player out of the lineup and replaced with nothing. Maybe six points from Daniels.  I don't expect Nance to be around long. This is a rebuild.  Has anyone heard from Trae?

[Hawkmoor]

Apparently Sarr and his agent were correct in not wanting to come to Atlanta.  After they trade Hunter and Capela, zero defense.  Travis Schlenk opposed that Murray trade because of what the Hawks gave up.  Not the player.  The cost of the player.  Then the Hawks just basically give away the player that they gave up three firsts to get.  They having a field day with this in Washington. Trae better win 3 championships.  Folks keep saying he needs help. What I'm seeing is the Hawks doing everything they can to insure he is stil the focus of the team while making the defense secondary.  If Trae is the focus they are going about it the wrong way.

From ESPN:

"Murray and Nikola Jokic were the only players to record 1,500 points, 500 assists and 100 steals last season, and he joins Luka Doncic as the only players to averaged 20 points, five rebounds and five assists in each of the last three seasons (40 games in each).

An All-Defensive Team honoree in 2018, Murray is the only player with at least 100 steals in each of the last five seasons."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40454009/sources-hawks-dealing-dejounte-murray-pelicans

 

 

Edited June 29 by Hawkmoor

[Afro]

8 minutes ago, Q45T said:

Quin turned Demarre Carroll into a shooter so who knows… I still ain’t a fan of the return on this trade but whatever. At least we addressed our trash ass defense.

Im not trying to just shit all over Dyson here, but Carroll was a 77% ft shooter. 

[AHF]

10 minutes ago, thecampster said:

So as I was saying a few weeks ago. The Hawks' offseason goals were to get longer, stronger, bigger. All deals would be about size and flexibility

We achieved the financial flexibility part of that.  Got a couple bench players to help with depth too.  They might be guys who couldn’t make the cut for NO but they are the centerpiece of the deal for us in 2024-25.  7.6 points a game combined in the playoffs is all NO had to shed to pick up a 20, 5 and 6 PG on a great contract and team controlled for 4 years.

[RedDawg#8]

I’m just glad its finally over so we can at least pretend to move on with our lives.

[terrell]

Hawks just replaced a top 20 pick from the 2022 draft(AJ), with a top 10 pick from the 2022 draft.....

 

[Packfill]

I like Daniels but this trade means the Hawks are going to have to lean into playing the young guys and that means the team will take some lumps this year. Could work out long term but short term means the emphasis needs to be on development. 
 

Hawks definitely look cheap as a result of all their recent trades. Ownership does not inspire confidence. 

[Dejay]

I tried to tell you guys the last two days that GMs around the league were going to treat the Hawks roster like an old episode of Wheel of Fortune, where folks get to pick out prizes in the studio to take home after solving the puzzle; even gift certificates. The inexperience of this front office is showing more than a nerdy girl's slip at the junior high prom.

Good Lord, have mercy. They traded their 2nd-best player for two draft picks that will likely land in the 20s unless Dalton Knecht is leading the Lakers in scoring next year due to Lebron and Anthony Davis being out for the season and a pair of guys who just haven't done all that much in the league. Larry Nance is decent but also 31 and the odds of him being a buyout candidate (see Ressler, Anthony) as much as a role player here can draw even odds in Vegas. And as for Dyson Daniels, well, he can do everything but shoot. If you've known me over the years on this board, I absolutely revile (i.e. hate, detest, abhor, loathe) wing players who cannot pull and fire true from the outside. Daniels reminds me of Stacey Augmon and Osh Childress (no J) who could play defense and blend in on the court but drove me to closed-fisted anger because neither was worth a flying eff on the perimeter. 

I know that this cannot be all she wrote for the offseason. There has to be more to this summer than a couple of role players and draft picks who will spend a few years in College Park before being escorted a few blocks down the street to Hartsfield-Jackson to finish their careers in Europe.

Color me a pessimist, but this isn't looking good. Not looking good at all. They better hit the next move out of the park...

[ATLHawks3]

Looks like we also got EJ Liddell too:

 

 

[Q45T]

1 minute ago, Afro said:

Im not trying to just shit all over Dyson here, but Carroll was a 77% ft shooter. 

Just tryna find something positive… I’m really indifferent to the moves we’ve made so far.