Nicholasp27 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 "I'm going to lobby for him to come here and help us," Walker said. "I'm going to let him know that what we're doing here, he can make better. With me, him and Al Harrington, we can be one of the strongest frontlines in the league." http://www.ajc.com/hawks/content/sports/ha...04/11hawks.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Spree/KG/??? Kirlenkio/Boozer/??? Mello/Martin/Camby Artest/O'Neal/Foster Peja/Webber/Miller Prince/Wallace/Wallace Those are frontlines that would be better. There are probably others I don't am not going to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 he said ONE of the strongest, not the strongest...although he shuld have said one of the stronger...but what the hell, you can't analyze everything they say..he just means a pretty da.mn good frontline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB21 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Only in your opinion, which doesn't count for much here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Why don't you prove me wrong? How can you? You are almost never correct. Walker is a throw away player to Dallas and Harrington was a bench player for another team. Why is Harrington/Walker/Dampier better than any of those? Unless you can prove otherwise shut the H5ll up. Simply, you are a biased dyck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 A Front line that can't shoot a lick. It might make the playoffs in the weak east. But it's no real threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted August 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Spree/KG/??? stronger 3/4, but not as balanced...kg best player in game, so better from having him alone Kirlenkio/Boozer/??? Mello/Martin/Camby Artest/O'Neal/Foster also stronger 3/4, but not as balanced having a weak center Peja/Webber/Miller if webber isn't injured, then yes Prince/Wallace/Wallace better defensively, worse offensively notice that most of those are in the west u only named 2, indy/detroit, in the east...so if our frontline is 3rd best in the east, behind the leaders of the east, then that's not bad, considering where we are coming from (jax/cc/pryz) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Spree/KG/??? stronger 3/4, but not as balanced...kg best player in game, so better from having him alone" I wouldn;t trade KG to get both Walker and Harrington. " Artest/O'Neal/Foster also stronger 3/4, but not as balanced having a weak center" Welol, Dampier has been a weak center over the course of his career. About 8PPG 7RPG career averages. "better defensively, worse offensively" Really? Walker shoots about 39% and about 58% from the free throw line... Doesn't get worse than that. Harrington atleast knows his limits and so he will average about 16PPG shooting about 45%. "u only named 2, indy/detroit, in the east...so if our frontline is 3rd best in the east, behind the leaders of the east, then that's not bad, considering where we are coming from (jax/cc/pryz)" That's true. But with the horrible backcourt and lack of depth on the bench the best you are going to get is 7th or 8th seed winning about 40 games. The hawks are better off than they were last offseason without a doubt. But need to be realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final_quest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 C'mon let's be serious. How can you be so critical of a frontline with three potential all stars? We would have one of the best frontlines with Dampier. That is safe to say. Certainly not the best, but any coach/gm would be happy to play that frontline. It's certainly better than the Ratliff, SAR, Big Dog trio. All three can rebound, period. All three can score. Do we need outside shooters and a PG? Definitely. It's easier to pick up shooters than solid frontline players. Seeing what Detroit has done with Billups, gives you confidence that we can find a PG that fits our team. I'd much rather be searching for a PG than a center. Do you think the Wolves are happy with Olowakandi, the Spurs with Nesterovic, or the Pacers with Foster? It is hard to find a true center. Even Detroit gets by without really having a center at all. It's the difference between Ben Wallace trying to block out Jason Collier or Dampier. That is a stark contrast. The frontlines you posted are either arguably better or marginally better than the Hawks with Dampier. I for one would love for teams to come to Atlanta and be thinking how are we gonna out rebound these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted August 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 well 7th or 8th seed this year is a good start to show that we are a Denver/Utah type rebuilder, not a bulls/lac/wash type and if chil or diaw become a scottie pippen clone and either of the smiths pan out, then we'll be a deep team in future years...we'll just have to get a good pg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 How can you be so critical of a frontline with three potential all stars?" In the east? Perhaps? In the west? None of them are allstars And as I said, possibly is good enough to get 40 wins. Walker really shouldn't be an allstar... Almost everything he does positive has a negitive right be hind it Good scorer Poor shooter Can play up to three spots in the east on offense Can't defend any 3 of them Can pass alittle bit and get 4.5APG Turns the ball over 3.3 times a game I think Harrington will stick with Hawks and has a decent future as a 17/8 player. But, most here probably are going to want Walker traded by mid season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin chillzatl Posted August 11, 2004 Admin Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 See, to you, because Walker was traded, that means he's a throw away player. Because AH came off the bench in Indiana, that means he's obviously a scrub. You lack the foresight or vision to see anything beyond those two small details. Those are the negatives associated with those two players and because you are a sad tomato, you focus on them with little thought to any other possibilities. I mean Dallas didn't need a PG more than they needed a SF, right? AH wasn't getting 30 mpg off the bench in Indiana was he? He didn't have an all-star starting in front of him either, right? To you, there is no truth beyond what is clearly in front of you. And even then, it's usually only the negative aspects that you are capable of seeing. To you, all players are scrubs until they prove otherwise and anyone who is traded, must have been traded because they weren't good anymore. I can't imagine going through life wearing those misery blinders that you have on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 See, to you, because Walker was traded, that means he's a throw away player." No, but when you have Finley/Dirk/Howard/Daniels/Harris why do you need a ball and shot hogging Walker? What I mean is that them losing him is no big deal. "Because AH came off the bench in Indiana, that means he's obviously a scrub." Well, he still played 30MPG but 13/6 isn't so great. You can say Harrington was just on a deep team.... But Tinsley Foster aren't scorers and Miller does little of that any more. Like I said, I feel Harrington will post solid 17/8 numbers but is he good enough to win as your 1st or 2nd option? ESP with little supporting cast? Pardon me for not writing down Boris as the next Scottie Pippen or say something stupid like Nique said that Harrington is one of the best post players in the league. Yeah right. "I can't imagine going through life wearing those misery blinders that you have on." Funny, people say a guy that averaged a whole 4.5PPG 4RPG and had mediocre overseas numbers is a young Scottie Pippen but I somehow have "blinders" on. Pretty d@mn funny isn't it? I do believe the team has a brighter future than it had a year ago. It's just that things need to be kept realistic. Billy has to find that number one guy for the future. Harrington will make a good 3rd player when Billy gets this thing together. But Harrington cant be expected to carry or half carry a team and win. He just isn't good enough for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swolehawk2 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 I thought Nique said Al was one of the best post SF in the league...which he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted August 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 yeah, he said he had some of the best post moves for a SF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominiqueWilkins Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Is Walker going to give him some of his 14 million this years? Walker wants Dampier Jermaine O'Neal wants Dampier If both teams are willing to pay, which player do you think we aquire their man? PACERS, by far!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyman3 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 true, PACERS have the edge... but we have the MONEY! lol... the power of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Employee8 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Okay, Hotlanta. You say that Walker will most likely be dealt at the Trading Deadline? Let's just see what transpires... The thing that matters most at this point is to get to the Playoffs. Billy is going to give Walker every opportunity to prove to him that he has a future as a Hawk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Point it this way.... I bet he doesn't get a new contract from the Hawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin capstone21 Posted August 11, 2004 Admin Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 It will all depend on how he performs this year whether he got a new contract or not. Even if he does do well his contract w/ the Hawks will be much smaller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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