ATL_BALLER Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 ESPN Insider is hinting that the Hornets are at least entertaining offers for a package of Baron/Magloire. The last time I checked, we were in need of a dynamic point guard and a good big - HMMMM. Despite Baron's injury history, I think I'd be all over this -- and surely Mr. Walker would be attractive to them for his talent or cap relief. What scenario would work under the cap? And by the way, Insider also reports that every GM in the league has contacted the Hornets about Baron... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 i mentioned this earlier as an option that would fullfull both of our needs...i only worry about baron's injuries and how that would affect our salary cap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBAreject Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Magloire is a top 10 center (maybe top 5, just because after Yao and Shaq....). Baron is a top 5 PG. That is the Hornets whole team. If they trade away the only 2 pieces that they have to build around, what would they want back? Think about it. If we had their team, what would we gain by trading Baron and Magloire? I don't think we have the pieces to trade. Well, we might, but if we trade those pieces, we really hamper our potential to improve. What would it take? AH, Smoove, next year's #1? Ick. I would be interested in trading for Magloire, but I think Baron would cost too, too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I'd trade walker for magloire in a second... felton/chill/smoove/al/magloire and then sign swift and promise him 30mpg, half at pf/half at center get jacobsen as well for a 3pt specialist to play 20mpg behind chill... as for baron and magloire...well i worry about baron's injuries and his contract...i wouldn't be too upset if we traded walker and this year's first and chris crawford to them for baron/magloire...they'd have tons of cap space and two high first rounders... i'd MUCH rather just get magloire tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Employee8 Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Walker for JUST Magloire? I'd consider it. But The Hornets will want Smoove as well so NO DICE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL_BALLER Posted January 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 The problem - they're going nowhere with those two pieces. They'd jump at the opportunity to land expiring contracts and likely our lotto pick this year. Of course, we could also just go after one. As mentioned, we swap Toine for Jamaal and then draft our PG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL_BALLER Posted January 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Right. As far as I'm concerned -- and I pray the same goes for BK -- Smoove is untouchable. Well, maybe for Lebron- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 yeah, smoove is untouchable...unless it's dwight howard or lebron... btw, is mashburn ever gonna play again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtLaS Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Yeah it would be awesome to get Magloire for Walker, but I really don't see it happening unless we threw in a first or took on a horrible contract like Mashburn or somethin.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGRat Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I am not so sure that the problem is that they are going nowhere with those two pieces, but that those two pieces are not available for them to go somewhere. I would be very leary of a deal for Baron considering his habitual appearances on the IL. I think his future will be like Mashburn's last few years. Great player for stretches of the season, but not available when you really need him. Magloire I might consider, but I'd need to see him produce on the regular again and know he would not have lingering ailments. I'd hate to see the Hawks go through what the Timberwolves are going through with Olowokandi. His injury seems to have really set him back (possibly never had much anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin capstone21 Posted January 20, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I agree I don't want Baron. He dominates the ball too much and his injuries causes him to miss too much time. As for Magloire I would love for us to grab him. If Walker could get us him I would jump on that in a heart beat. We could get our PG in the draft and already have our Big. We can concentrate the rest of our cash on a PF like Swift. Paul/Lue/Ivey Childress/Diaw Smith/Smith Harrington/Swift Magloire/Drob/Collier Not a bad looking team if you ask me. Swift can also play C and Harrington and Diaw can also play SF so we have some versatilty. We could also make a play for a player like Julius Hodge in the drafts second round too. He is a multi dimensional player like too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted January 20, 2005 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Since we could just as soon draft an impact, non-injury prone, PG. But I'd run a Walker deal for Magloire in a hot second. That's a big man that can get it done, with room for improvement even. We'd have a true center, we could move Al to PF, Smove to the 3, and free up the 2 guard slot. It also gives shots back to the young guys and puts more pressure on them to lead the team. Oh yeah...that's a deal right there. But, would the Hornets do it though...? They're said to be demanding high draft picks. Baron...Magloire...Walker/#1...tempting. When he's healthy, Baron is one of the league's premeire PGs. In fact, not taking into account injury and based on pure talent, I'd take him over anyone except Nash and MAYBE Kidd. And I have to wonder if drafting a PG could possibly yield a player THAT much better though... It's an interesting deal, exactly the type of blockbuster that I've been talking about. And again, you never know what the situation REALLY is. All you know is what you read. GMs might not be as afraid of Baron's health issues as we are, and BK might see it as an offer too good to pass up. In the end though, me thinks it would take more than an expiring contract and a 1st rounder to land all that talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL_BALLER Posted January 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Expiring contracts and lotto picks are exactly what a rebuilding team covets. And if they dealt their two commoditites, that's exactly what be. Unless, of course, another team steps up with some young talent. As previously stated, moving Smoov is out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted January 20, 2005 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Because you never just want to dump a premiere talent for cap space in return. It gives you flexibility yes, but what FA's are going to take that money...remember that it takes talent to get talent. Nobody wants to play for a cellar dweller...nobody. With that in mind, a team like New Orleans will be looking for more than cap space. They'll be looking for picks and/or (key) YOUNG TALENT. They'd want multiple picks or a pick and a young stud in return. That would be the base of the deal, Walker's expiring contract would be the capper. They're not giving up a perennial All Star PG and one of the hottest commodities at center for just a 1st rounder and cash. Even Toronto got 2 1sts for VC. It will take more to get that deal done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL_BALLER Posted January 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 OK - would you move Chill in that deal as well. Too much, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin chillzatl Posted January 20, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 There's a heck of a lot more at work here than just a swapping of talent. If they would entertain the idea of swapping those two for someone like AW and a pick, they know something that nobody else does. Mainly, that BD's days as a top 5 PG (something he isn't right now anyway), are over. While I would love to have Magloir. I would much rather use that #1, which will be high, to draft a top flight PG who has no injury history and build around him and our current crop of young/older players. I have no desire to be one of those teams that is decent when, again I say WHEN, their PG is healthy enough to play (New Orleans, Pheonix, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted January 20, 2005 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 ...and that's where the deal gets snagged. They'd want either Smith or Childress. See, you have to look at this from NO's point of view too. Let's say WE had Baron and Jamal. Would you trade Jamal for an Antoine Walker...? You give up: a VERY GOOD young talent and a center to top it off - one of the hardest positions to fill these days. He's making 6 - 7 million, not bad considering what some folks got... You get back: an expiring contract and a player you MIGHT be able to resign. Nobody makes this deal at midseason. Maybe a SNT in the summer, but I'd just as soon stick with the center. Would you trade Baron Davis for a lottery pick...? You give up: a perennial All Star, a PG that can score and run an offense with the best of them - 20/10 threat in pts/assists on any given night...and a penetrating guard at that. You get back: a lottery pick that could turn out to be LeBron James or a Mike James.... New Orleans probably does this to get out of Davis' salary and start over with a younger player, but do we? Davis/Magloire...Walker/1st sounds interesting. Depending on the interest in Davis, Atl does this, but NO wants more. They either get more, try to work a 3rd team into the equation, or the deal falls apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted January 20, 2005 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I agree... NO. I would trade Harrington/2nd for Magloire... But that's just me. I wouldn't want Baron. He's going to cost too much and I don't know where he stands health wise. Remember he came into the NBA banged up. I don't want to repeat the mistakes of Orlando/Grant Hill.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packfill Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 The reason NO is willing to part with both Baron and Magloire is because they cannot win even when both are healthy - it would take a healthy Mashburn to do that. The Hawks would have to gut their team to acquire both and there is no reason the hawks could win with those two if NO cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 i would trade walker and harrington for magloire...but not our pick i'd then sign swift or chandler or kwame for the pf spot felton/chill/smoove/swift/magloire i don't want baron davis at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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