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It couldn't really be done live, because they're not actually pulling balls with team names on it. They pull a number of balls out (4 I think), and then depending on the balls that were drawn, that combination corresponds to a certain team. So unless everybody has a list of the 1000 combinations and what teams they correspond to, it wouldn't be very telegenic. They have independent auditors, team owners, and journalists there. It's not rigged.

With a normal lottery, you see the numbers coming out and know whether or not they match yours, which is exciting. Comparing the numbers that have already come out with the 250 possible combinations that would work for the hawks doesn't seem so exciting fir me.

Plus they draw the 1st pick first, so all other teams instantly know they're not getting it. And they would only reward 3 teams which would be short.

Announcing the draft order in reverse order lasts longer, allows every lottery team to hear their team name called, and is more telegenic

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It couldn't really be done live, because they're not actually pulling balls with team names on it.

Lascar.. You don't get it.

Why not have teams Pictures on the pingpong balls. Or better yet, list the combinations in publications before going through with the lottery. And like Sturt said, just televise it.

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BECAUSE THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE THOUSAND FREAKING BALLS, AND THAT IS NOT PRACTICAL AT ALL. THAT IS TWO HUNDRED TIMES MORE BALLS THAN THE BIG LOTTERIES WITH FIFTY NUMBERS. WE'VE GONE OVER THIS BEFORE!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!

As for listing the combinations, that's possible, but unnecessary. Yes it could be done, but I think that what Stern realizes is that no matter what he does people like you will talk. If he lists the combinations, you will say that the machines themselves are rigged. So no matter what he's screwed. He might as well do what is the most telegenic and suspenseful, which is the current system

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the reasoning is that it's 'better television' to count down from 14 to 1...

if they did it live on tv, they'd draw a number then u'd know who #1 was...then they'd draw #2 then #3 then say "all done folks"

this way it's more exciting...if u are the 7th team, then when they get to 7, ur hoping not to hear ur name, cause that means ur top 3!...and if u are top 3, like us, then u wanna hear each team in order...any jumps greatly increases our odds of being #4

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he has a reason for EVERY outcome possible

if ny, lal, cle, min, etc get it then it's a conspiracy

if none of them get it, then he did it on purpose to not throw suspicion on himself...

and EVERYONE knows the only reason that lac got 2nd last year was because he knew that they'd trade the #2 (since 1/2 were bigs), therefore letting the expansion get a cornerstone to bring more money in... cool.gif

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exactly, what did we hear time after time from those (bastards) who were against us tanking last year? "You'd be a fool to tank, the worst record doesn't even guarantee us a top pick, we might as well try to win some games to look better". That sentiment would not occur without the lottery.

Take off your tin foil hat

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Not only does it not stop teams from tanking, I think it causes some teams to tank...

Think about it...

IF your team is not a good team and is possibly a playoff team but not likely to make it, why not start tanking as soon as the playoffs are in the rear view mirror to improve your percentage? I mean, it's possible that ANYBODY can get a top 3 pick.

However, if it were set in stone that the worse team would get the top pick and so on, you'd increase teams' competitiveness because they wouldn't try to be bad for a better shot at a top three pick.

Football has never had a problem with teams tanking....

I think Stern keeps around this draft lottery to keep the game in constant confusion and mystery.

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?

once we miss the playoffs, i'd rather lose a few more games to move up a few spots than win and get pick #14...

#9 is much more valuable than #14...

and the point is, if u are one of the worst teams this year, then u woulda tanked hard...if there was no lottery, u woulda seen some weird games against char/nola/lac...battle of who could score the least

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Football has never had a problem with teams tanking....

Football teams do tank at the end of the season to improve their draft position.

That is a product of the differences in the sport not the draft mechanics.

Why would teams guaranteed to get a spot based on their record be less likely to tank than teams that only had a better chance for a spot based on their record? There is no logic to support that reasoning.

Instead, consider that landing a high pick in the NBA draft is much more important than in the NFL draft. Recent NFL MVPs have been second day picks, undrafted FAs, etc. (See Tom Brady, Terrell Davis, Kurt Warner, etc.) There is a ton of depth in the NFL draft and a second round pick is not a ton less valuable than a first rounder. Moreover, the NFL is a TEAM game where you need the pieces all to fit together and one player cannot change the direction of a franchise by himself no matter how good (he needs support from his teammates on the same side of the ball and respectible play from those on the other side of the ball).

In contrast, there is a huge difference in value between the top few picks in the NBA draft and picks in the teens and picks in the 20s and a world apart from 2nd round picks. If you land a true superstar he can single-handedly turn a franchise around like Duncan, Shaq, Jordan, Magic, etc. If you land two true superstars in the NBA you are guaranteed to be a good team. You can have two true superstars in the NFL and suck if your team has no defense or if you just lack sufficient complimentary pieces.

It is the difference in depth of talent (NFL draft much deeper) and impact of talent (impact bigger in NBA than NFL) that accounts for why there is less tanking in football and why there is less need for a lottery system to reduce tanking.

I agree, though, that the lottery system does not stop teams from tanking for the reasons we have discussed on here many times. The lottery does, however, make it less likely that a team will be ultimately rewarded for tanking.
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It is the difference in depth of talent (NFL draft much deeper) and impact of talent (impact bigger in NBA than NFL) that accounts for why there is less tanking in football and why there is less need for a lottery system to reduce tanking.

Exactly. One single guy can carry a franchise for years in the nba. Each player is 20% of the starters, and plays both sides of the game.

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This really has only a little to do with this thread, but I didn't feel like starting a new one. I remember this debate recently so I though I'd post this.

2004

TEAM RECORD CHANCES NO. 1 NO. 2 NO. 3

Orlando 21-61 250 25.00% 21.55% 17.85%

Chicago 23-59 200 20.00% 18.91% 17.22%

Washington 25-57 157 15.70% 15.80% 15.66%

L.A. Clippers 28-54 105 10.50% 11.31% 12.22%

Atlanta 28-54 104 10.40% 11.22% 12.14%

Phoenix 29-53 64 6.40% 7.20% 8.23%

Toronto 33-49 37 3.70% 4.28% 5.05%

Philadelphia 33-49 36 2.90% 3.37% 4.02%

Cleveland 35-47 18 1.80% 4.17% 4.93%

Golden State 37-45 9 0.90% 1.07% 1.30%

Seattle 37-45 9 0.90% 1.07% 1.30%

Portland 41-41 6 0.60% 0.71% 0.87%

Utah 42-40 5 0.50% 0.59% 0.73%

These are 2004 draft chances. I'm not sure if 2005 draft is exactly the same

http://www.nba.com/history/lottery_probabilities.html

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This really has only a little to do with this thread, but I didn't feel like starting a new one. I remember this debate recently so I though I'd post this.

2004

TEAM RECORD CHANCES NO. 1 NO. 2 NO. 3

Orlando 21-61 250 25.00% 21.55% 17.85%

Chicago 23-59 200 20.00% 18.91% 17.22%

Washington 25-57 157 15.70% 15.80% 15.66%

L.A. Clippers 28-54 105 10.50% 11.31% 12.22%

Atlanta 28-54 104 10.40% 11.22% 12.14%

Phoenix 29-53 64 6.40% 7.20% 8.23%

Toronto 33-49 37 3.70% 4.28% 5.05%

Philadelphia 33-49 36 2.90% 3.37% 4.02%

Cleveland 35-47 18 1.80% 4.17% 4.93%

Golden State 37-45 9 0.90% 1.07% 1.30%

Seattle 37-45 9 0.90% 1.07% 1.30%

Portland 41-41 6 0.60% 0.71% 0.87%

Utah 42-40 5 0.50% 0.59% 0.73%

These are 2004 draft chances. I'm not sure if 2005 draft is exactly the same

http://www.nba.com/history/lottery_probabilities.html

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This really has only a little to do with this thread, but I didn't feel like starting a new one. I remember this debate recently so I though I'd post this.

2004

TEAM RECORD CHANCES NO. 1 NO. 2 NO. 3

Orlando 21-61 250 25.00% 21.55% 17.85%

Chicago 23-59 200 20.00% 18.91% 17.22%

Washington 25-57 157 15.70% 15.80% 15.66%

L.A. Clippers 28-54 105 10.50% 11.31% 12.22%

Atlanta 28-54 104 10.40% 11.22% 12.14%

Phoenix 29-53 64 6.40% 7.20% 8.23%

Toronto 33-49 37 3.70% 4.28% 5.05%

Philadelphia 33-49 36 2.90% 3.37% 4.02%

Cleveland 35-47 18 1.80% 4.17% 4.93%

Golden State 37-45 9 0.90% 1.07% 1.30%

Seattle 37-45 9 0.90% 1.07% 1.30%

Portland 41-41 6 0.60% 0.71% 0.87%

Utah 42-40 5 0.50% 0.59% 0.73%

These are 2004 draft chances. I'm not sure if 2005 draft is exactly the same

http://www.nba.com/history/lottery_probabilities.html

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