Diesel Ranks the SGs...

[Plainview1981]

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I actually meant to reply to Diesel, not you. Thus the confusion.

also, it's been bugging me: L

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Bron (not La)

does Wade really pop into your head in terms of 'defense'...doesn't for me (neither does Bron, just saying).

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LOL. Lots of people have brought that up. I don't know

why I call him that... I just do. I guess Labron just

rolls off the tongue better for me.

No Wade isn't an impact defensive player like a Bruce

Bowen, but he is better than Kobe I think.

[Traceman]

in 3 of the last 6 seasons and a 2nd Team All NBA Defensive player for 2 of those years. He didn't make it last year but he was injured for a significant part of the season.

Kobe is a better defender than D Wade at this point but Wade is not a bad defender at all and I could see him being on the ALl NBA Defensive Team if he set his mind to it.

[Plainview1981]

Who votes for Defensive player of the year? The same

guys that game PJ Brown an MVP vote? Theo won defensive

player of the year, but he was nothing more than a

weakside shot blocker. He couldn't defend one on one

had other than his weakside shot blocking wasn't all

that effective on defense. The awards are nice, but

that doesn't really mean he is that good of a defensive

player.

[chillzatl]

it doesn't take very much to see him locking down everyone he guards...

[Plainview1981]

Kobe's defense seems to be the best againest Michael Redd whom

he held to 1-8 shooting and 8 points the second time.

But Corey Maggette had 25 againest him....Joe Johnson had 25

http://www.nba.com/games/20041208/PHOLAL/boxscore.html

22 for Jason Richardson

http://www.nba.com/games/20041203/GSWLAL/boxscore.html

27 for Maggette the second time

http://www.nba.com/games/20041211/LALLAC/boxscore.html

26 for Ray Allen

http://www.nba.com/games/20041214/LALSEA/boxscore.html

33 for Larry Hughes

http://www.nba.com/games/20041217/WASLAL/boxscore.html

20 for David Wesley (9 points above his average)

http://www.nba.com/games/20041222/NOHLAL/boxscore.html

25 for Ray Allen Again

http://www.nba.com/games/20050125/SEALAL/boxscore.html

Jacque Vaughn had 16 on 6-10 shooting... Mightly big game for

a scrub like Vaughan

http://www.nba.com/games/20050128/NJNLAL/boxscore.html

30 for Maggette again on 9-11 shooting

http://www.nba.com/games/20050308/LACLAL/boxscore.html

30 poitns for Ray Allen

http://www.nba.com/games/20050408/LALSEA/boxscore.html

26 for Joe Johnson

http://www.nba.com/games/20050411/PHOLAL/boxscore.html

Looking through most of the games it looks like Kobe didn't shut

down any of the top SG's other than Michael Redd. Allen went

2-8 againest him in one of those games but only played 10 minutes.

And if Kobe isn't guarding any of these guys he isn't

doing anything worthy of being an all team defensive

player either.

[cyman3]

He put GREAT D on Hamilton during the DET/LA finals. He got his points and chased Hamilton all over the court. Kobe made great plays on defense when it counted as well.

hes a very good defender.

wade is too. but right now, id have to say KOBE.

the only reason why Lakers lost is b/c only KOBE + SHAQ decided to play in the FINALS. Payton? nope. Malone? didnt show up. Rest? nobody could score!

As for Detroit, while Hamilton struggled to get his points- the rest stepped up!

[Plainview1981]

Rip Hamilton is a good player, but he can be defended. The

games I listed don't show great defensive ability. I never

said he can't do it, but he hasn't done it lately. The

ojective for a good defensive player isn't to just show

up every once and a while....

[Plainview1981]

Scratch the Vaughan game off... Kobe didn't even play.

[AHF]

I hate Kobe and give the credit to Shaq for the championships as he was clearly the biggest factor for those Laker teams because no one could match up with him. Kobe became way overrated when people started mentioning him in the same breath as MJ.

That said, he is easily a top 2 SG in terms of what he does on the floor and has a very well-rounded game. He can score, pass, is clutch and is a standout defender. He isn't someone who is good enough to put a team on his back and take them to the playoffs like Shaq or Duncan but he is better all-around than someone like Ray Allen, IMO. Where his value starts to dip farther is that he seems to be a cause of significant discord on his teams both among coaches and other players due to his selfishness.

I would rank the SGs for 2005-06:

1. Lebron

2. Kobe

3. T-Mac

4. Wade

5. Ray

6. Vince (if motivated)

7. PP

8. Manu

9. Hughes

10. Richardson (too one dimentional)

(This assumes AI and JJ are PGs for 2005-06).